Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 02 Discussion / Poll

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

Source?

The episode preview showed quite a number of personnel clapping hands...and it seemed to insinuate that the confirmed members of Riot 6 are among that mass of people as well.

It didn't seem like they were members from other divisions coming to congratulate Hayate on the official formation of her unit at the very least...

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

The episode preview showed quite a number of personnel clapping hands...and it seemed to insinuate that the confirmed members of Riot 6 are among that mass of people as well.

It didn't seem like they were members from other divisions coming to congratulate Hayate on the official formation of her unit at the very least...

*watches*

>_>

<_<

A lot of those people didn't look like paper-pushers/mechanics/administrative types either.

I guess that we'll know for sure next episode.

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

*watches*

>_>

<_<

A lot of those people didn't look like paper-pushers/mechanics/administrative types either.

I guess that we'll know for sure next episode.

I think these people were from other units congratulating Hayate for her new unit. Idk though, only my opinion. I also think Hayate's unit can't be all that small, but it also can't be all that large, considering it's a section full of experts and powerful mages.

[Loner]

What caught my eye is the NUMBER of people in that lineup that were wearing cooks aprons. Just how much does Vita eat, anyways, that they need half their staff to be working on feeding her?

[herbert]

Forgot to say one thing. Is there anyone with me that Subaru is better to be in Lightning squad as well? She uses Belka magic and Nanoha uses Mid-Childa, and their fighting styles are not same either. If there is a best teacher for her, it must be Signum (I never think Vita can teach).

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by herbert

Forgot to say one thing. Is there anyone with me that Subaru is better to be in Lightning squad as well? She uses Belka magic and Nanoha uses Mid-Childa, and their fighting styles are not same either. If there is a best teacher for her, it must be Signum (I never think Vita can teach).

The first episode made it sound like Subaru's fataly weak in long range combat (we did see some long-range attacks from her, but maybe they wouldn't work so well against an actual mage that's capable of moving around), so its probably best if she works under a specialist that can really help her improve in that area. I'd imagine that Nanoha's become more balanced over the years, anyways.

Besides, getting moved out of Nanoha's squad would probably hurt her morale.

[Loner]

Originally Posted by herbert

Forgot to say one thing. Is there anyone with me that Subaru is better to be in Lightning squad as well? She uses Belka magic and Nanoha uses Mid-Childa, and their fighting styles are not same either. If there is a best teacher for her, it must be Signum (I never think Vita can teach).

Nope, that's actually a good reason for her to stay in Stars squad. Since the members of each squad use varied magic and fighting styles, it'll be harder for an enemy to take advantage of a weakness or pattern in their style.

And remember, even if you don't think Vita can teach, there's no reason for the leaders of the two squads to NOT help teach both Lighting and Stars members.

[herbert]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

The first episode made it sound like Subaru's fataly weak in long range combat (we did see some long-range attacks from her, but maybe they wouldn't work so well against an actual mage that's capable of moving around), so its probably best if she works under a specialist that can really help her improve in that area. I'd imagine that Nanoha's become more balanced over the years, anyways.

Besides, getting moved out of Nanoha's squad would probably hurt her morale.

True, Nanoha's skill would be more balanced and plentiful by now. But Nanoha is a Mid-Childa mage. She has never used Belka magic, how come she understand how Belka magic works? Especially it is said Mid-Childa Belka magic is hard to be used in long-distance attacks by its nature. The differences between two magic systems alone may make Nanoha's advice useless. I think even if Subaru want to learn such things it would be better have a Belka knight who can do long-distance attacks, such as Signum, tells she how to do so.

I focus which squad make a better place for her development in combat skill, so allow me neglect her feelings.

Originally Posted by Loner

Nope, that's actually a good reason for her to stay in Stars squad. Since the members of each squad use varied magic and fighting styles, it'll be harder for an enemy to take advantage of a weakness or pattern in their style.

And remember, even if you don't think Vita can teach, there's no reason for the leaders of the two squads to NOT help teach both Lighting and Stars members.

Subaru is just too weak IMO to make a complement to Nanoha, and if Star squad must come to melee combats, there is Vita after all.

Signum still can teach her even they are in different groups. I only mean it would be better if they are in same squad which usually means they have more time together.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by herbert

True, Nanoha's skill would be more balanced and plentiful by now. But Nanoha is a Mid-Childa mage. She has never used Belka magic, how come she understand how Belka magic works? Especially it is said Mid-Childa magic is hard to be used in long-distance attacks by its nature. The differences between two magic systems alone may make Nanoha's advice useless. I think even if Subaru want to learn such things it would be better have a Belka knight who can do long-distance attacks, such as Signum, tells she how to do so.

I focus which squad make a better place for her development in combat skill, so allow me neglect her feelings.

Source on Nanoha never using Velka-style magic?

Like I said, Nanoha'a probably become really balanced over the past 10 years. I'd be surprised if she hadn't learned Velka-style magic. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if she'd mastered it. She needed to know it in order to test out new Velka-style weaponry, right? At the very least, she's familiar with Velka-style cartridge systems.

Subaru is just too weak IMO to make a complement to Nanoha, and if Star squad must come to melee combats, there is Vita after all.

Signum still can teach her even they are in different groups. I only mean it would be better if they are in same squad which usually means they have more time together.

And why can't Vita teach Subaru just as well? I don't think that there's that big of a power difference between the two.

[herbert]

My bad. But Nanoha can not be as good as Signum in term of Belka magic. I still believe Signum would be more helpful in this case.

Vita can't be a good teacher because of her temper. She is too impatient and childish for teaching.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by herbert

My bad. But Nanoha can not be as good as Signum in term of Belka magic. I still believe Signum would be more helpful in this case。

That would make sense, since Signum's a velka-style specialist, but I'd imagine that Nanoha knows more than enough to progress her passed the level that she's currently at, and Signum can still teach her back at the base. (and its not like she'd need to be under Signum's command to pick up on her fighting techniques... she'll see more than enough from Vita on the field anyways)

Vita can't be a good teacher because of her temper. She is too impatient and childish for teaching.

This is anime land. Tsunderes make for excellent teachers.

[herbert]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

That would make sense, since Signum's a velka-style specialist, but I'd imagine that Nanoha knows more than enough to progress her passed the level that she's currently at, and Signum can still teach her back at the base. (and its not like she'd need to be under Signum's command to pick up on her fighting techniques... she'll see more than enough from Vita on the field anyways)

Compromise can be made now.

BTW which squad does Zafira belong to? It seems he always stick with Vita, does it mean he will be a member of Star squad? Then Star would be stronger than Lightning.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by herbert

Compromise can be made now.

BTW which squad does Zafira belong to? It seems he always stick with Vita, does it mean he will be a member of Star squad? Then Star would be stronger than Lightning.

I remember that Hayate had a squad too (Shamal and Zafira), but I forget what it was called.

[Meophist]

I think Subaru is actually quite similar to Nanoha. They have a similar style of fighting, although its focus is entirely different. Both have alot of control, and has a rather direct method of fighting. The principals are the same, although applied in a different way. I think Subaru can stand alot to learn from Nanoha, moreso than Fate or Signum, in any case. Their base ideas behind their fighting are too different.

[Kikaifan]

Originally Posted by herbert

True, Nanoha's skill would be more balanced and plentiful by now. But Nanoha is a Mid-Childa mage. She has never used Belka magic, how come she understand how Belka magic works? Especially it is said Mid-Childa Belka magic is hard to be used in long-distance attacks by its nature. The differences between two magic systems alone may make Nanoha's advice useless. I think even if Subaru want to learn such things it would be better have a Belka knight who can do long-distance attacks, such as Signum, tells she how to do so.

New Belkan magic is apparently just an emulation of the close-combat aspects of Ancient Belkan using Midchildan core principles. Or so I hear. So it's not a stretch for it to be well within Nanoha's understanding as a top-tier user of Midchildan magic.

[Loner]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

I remember that Hayate had a squad too (Shamal and Zafira), but I forget what it was called.

Shamal and Zafira are in "H.Q. Long Arch", according to the official Nanoha site.

[herbert]

Originally Posted by Meophist

I think Subaru is actually quite similar to Nanoha. They have a similar style of fighting, although its focus is entirely different. Both have alot of control, and has a rather direct method of fighting. The principals are the same, although applied in a different way. I think Subaru can stand alot to learn from Nanoha, moreso than Fate or Signum, in any case. Their base ideas behind their fighting are too different.

May you explain what do you mean by *have alot of control, and has a rather direct method of fighting.* I can't get it.

Originally Posted by Kikaifan

New Belkan magic is apparently just an emulation of the close-combat aspects of Ancient Belkan using Midchildan core principles. Or so I hear. So it's not a stretch for it to be well within Nanoha's understanding as a top-tier user of Midchildan magic.

They use the Belkan Magic Trianle to cast spells, not Mid-Childan Magic Circle. The core of magic is still based on Belka system.

I already make a compromise with Bloodseeker, agreeing Nanoha might have enough knowledge about Belka magic.

[Kikaifan]

So one would assume, but I keep hearing otherwise.

[Twelvth]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

It's call development. Nothing stays the same from the start of a story, till the end. A relationship that didn't exist at the start of a story has every chance to reach Fruition by the end.

We don't 'create' pairings just for the heck of it. It's not as if the two of them were complete strangers that have zero interaction, or blood rivals that are destined to kill each other. THERE are signs, there is a possibility.

"We don't 'create' pairings just for the heck of it." Riiight... of COURSE you don't.

For a lot of people, I would beg to differ.

A big hinge of my point is that two people can be familiar with eachother, trust eachother, and even love eachother without any kind of that sort of relationship.

The only real signs have been at one time on the side of Yuuno, and that's kinda faded away by this point. It's been 10 years. Things seem like they're fairly table on the relationship table. (And if things haven't petered out with yuuno after all and we just haven't seen... well... more power to them I guess.)

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I support certain pairings strongly because I enjoy their interaction and firmly believe that they have good potentials as couples.

"and I'm fairly certain that form of love would be quite at home in this anime"

I might live with that one-two seasons ago, but not now. I want my poison.

So... the interaction that ISN'T as a couple is bad for some reason?

Also, whether or not you like it, that kind of relationship is still at home. So nyaa~



To more recent matters:

I get the feeling that Subaru already is fairly proficient with actual casting ability and the mechanics of Belka magic. She doesn't need a teacher for that stuff anymore. :P

By this point, it's just going to be drilling and excercises and stuff. Plus, I imagine Velka and MC magic systems have more similarities at advanced levels.

I don't imagine that they're seperate enough that there isn't spillover even at basic ones. So if Nanoha even just knows the theory, which I would be surprised if she didn't, she should be fine.

Plus there are Velka users around anyways to give advice.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by Twelvth

"We don't 'create' pairings just for the heck of it." Riiight... of COURSE you don't.

For a lot of people, I would beg to differ.

A big hinge of my point is that two people can be familiar with eachother, trust eachother, and even love eachother without any kind of that sort of relationship.

The only real signs have been at one time on the side of Yuuno, and that's kinda faded away by this point. It's been 10 years. Things seem like they're fairly table on the relationship table. (And if things haven't petered out with yuuno after all and we just haven't seen... well... more power to them I guess.)

Indeed. Nanoha and Fate are just close friends. Anything that suggest otherwise is just fanservice. (Nanoha deserves better than Yuuno, though)

I get the feeling that Subaru already is fairly proficient with actual casting ability and the mechanics of Belka magic. She doesn't need a teacher for that stuff anymore. :P

I doubt that any B-rank mage is even CLOSE to mastering their style. She probably still has a lot that she can learn from a Velka-style master. And besides, even top level fighters need a well-versed trainer to keep them at their best.