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Old 2015-09-13, 08:21   Link #61
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To me, though, Charlotte's plot was like playing Battle City while not firing a single shot on the enemy tanks. Sure, you can survive by weaving your way across the map, but you will inevitably face the increasing number of tanks (unresolved plot threads), and completing the level (the series) would be impossible if not all of those tanks are dealt with.
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Old 2015-09-13, 10:53   Link #62
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I recently caught up on Charlotte, and I have to say that I disagree with the level of criticism its receiving here on Anime Suki.

The show has some issues, to be sure, but I do think it's superior to Angel Beats. Charlotte's narrative focus feels tighter to me than AB's did, and I also find Charlotte's fictional setting more interesting than AB's.

Charlotte has also become an excellent page-turner anime for me, its 2nd half especially. Its 2nd half does a pretty good job of keeping me on the edge of my seat, and greatly anticipating just where the show will go next. For the most part, Charlotte hasn't been predictable to me. It goes certain places at certain times in ways that are often surprising to me, especially from the end of Episode 6 on.

However, some of this is due to how Charlotte appeals to the comic book fan in me. Its story has come to remind me a lot of X-Men comics that I read as a kid.
Oh, look, more Charlotte discussion!

I too have recently marathoned the second half of Charlotte, and well, that thing that I ended up comparing it to was more Steins;Gate than Angel Beats.

I will actually agree with you, in spite of what I said in my post on the main Charlotte thread that it does a pretty good job getting you excited for the next episode.

That said, I will maintain what I said in the other thread that it really could have been better done with 24 eps instead of 12, giving more time for development of characters and subplots, as well as making the shift from comedy to drama less sudden.

I am enjoying Charlotte thus far, but I still think its short length and consequent sudden introduction of the whole time travel plot and the new characters holds it a back, and that Steins;Gate handled a similar plot a lot better.
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Old 2015-09-13, 13:16   Link #63
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The important thing that I've been peddling elsewhere is that we are forgetting AIR, Kanon, CLANNAD were shows that had other people adapt an existing story, mainly Ishihara Tatsuya and Shimo Fumihiko. So whatever worked in the VNs their teams have painstakingly transformed that into something that works for anime. Obviously the originals themselves were strong enough, since even Toei's Kanon adaptation was to my taste very strong.

In fact, I think the Toei version tops KyoAni's. There were too many obnoxious meme-worthy KyoAni moments in their adaptation for me to like it.

The supernatural + effective foreshadowing, exactly! That's what makes these series work and why I love them. CLANNAD I feel is a very good show for other reasons.

So you think Little Busters has that quality to it too? Better put it on my to-watch list, couldn't get past the gags the first time.
Yea, that's the thing. A lot of these shows have themes that they stay quite close to.

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So yea, it's possible to reach these interpretations with minimal observations, regardless of one's individual feelings towards each shows. And that's how I look at things-- what they tried to do and what they achieved. I'm not that big of a fan of say, AIR, but I understand what they were getting at and did appreciate its finer points, but it's honestly just not as polished as the later ones and I don't find myself coming back to it.

As for Little Busters, the first season is of highly questionable qualities but I do get a sense whoever was working on the show seemed to be getting their grasp eventually. I personally ended up liking it and especially the EX OVAs where it does feel a lot more polished, however, there definitely is a lot of that obnoxious humor that falls flat because it's just so repetitious and falls flat, so it could be kind of a chore, though I think it was worth it personally.


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Toei? Seriously? The adaptation with long munted faces?
Hah, dear lord. Toei AIR is actually a interesting spin IMO and Toei Clannad is not worth talking about.

Toei Kanon definitely had terrible character designs and it felt really disjointed, now that's something which 13 episodes hurt, because Kanon had trouble with twice as many episodes. However, I guess given that someone had to try it first all the way back in 2002, the script can be excused but that's no reason for having 1982 style visuals. Yuri fans might have more to do with 2002, as there was some really bizarre yuribait additions that added over the place and in an OVA. Now only if they'd remake THAT with better graphics; you know I heard Kyoani was good at that kind of thing, you know both with visuals and yuribait.
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Old 2015-09-13, 17:18   Link #64
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Yea, that's the thing. A lot of these shows have themes that they stay quite close to.

Kanon
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AIR
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Clannad
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Little Busters
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So yea, it's possible to reach these interpretations with minimal observations, regardless of one's individual feelings towards each shows. And that's how I look at things-- what they tried to do and what they achieved. I'm not that big of a fan of say, AIR, but I understand what they were getting at and did appreciate its finer points, but it's honestly just not as polished as the later ones and I don't find myself coming back to it.

As for Little Busters, the first season is of highly questionable qualities but I do get a sense whoever was working on the show seemed to be getting their grasp eventually. I personally ended up liking it and especially the EX OVAs where it does feel a lot more polished, however, there definitely is a lot of that obnoxious humor that falls flat because it's just so repetitious and falls flat, so it could be kind of a chore, though I think it was worth it personally.




Hah, dear lord. Toei AIR is actually a interesting spin IMO and Toei Clannad is not worth talking about.

Toei Kanon definitely had terrible character designs and it felt really disjointed, now that's something which 13 episodes hurt, because Kanon had trouble with twice as many episodes. However, I guess given that someone had to try it first all the way back in 2002, the script can be excused but that's no reason for having 1982 style visuals. Yuri fans might have more to do with 2002, as there was some really bizarre yuribait additions that added over the place and in an OVA. Now only if they'd remake THAT with better graphics; you know I heard Kyoani was good at that kind of thing, you know both with visuals and yuribait.
Personally, I have not seen Kanon 2002/Toei version in its entirety, only a few clips and images from it, and I figured it was not worth viewing do the issues with the absolutely horrible art style.


Even discounting the Jay Leno chin and other facial abnormalities, there also the fact that the demons in Mai's arc looked way to cheesy and generic. IMO the amorphous translucent demons of the 2006 version had a lot more a mysterious, and more menacing air about them.

But beyond the art style, I was not aware of the yuri-baiting, having not seen the series though I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that you can't spell Sayuri without yuri!

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Old 2015-09-14, 13:10   Link #65
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I didn't know Kanon '02 had yuribait; bad faces prevail over everything else, it seems. Since we've also brought up Angel Beats! multiple times despite it not being an adaptation, I'll say the same for it as I do Charlotte. They're different genres from the actual adaptations (Charlotte moreso), and even some of my own misgivings with Charlotte lie in mismatched expectations. That still doesn't excuse its extreme convenience, life hinged on plot twists, and being tone deaf with many of its side characters (the last point would be a minor one if there were only a few, but the loads and loads of them + pretending they're important creates a death of a thousand cuts). But yeah, holding AB! and Charlotte to the VN adaptations is about useful as comparing The Avengers to Star Trek.
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Old 2015-09-14, 20:50   Link #66
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Right, I have no idea why this thread was done to reflect on Charlotte and AB anyways. Maybe the title should be changed as the original thread was way too specific. It didn't seem OP had the best of intentions honestly and seemed to have some kind of thinly veiled agenda to troll people.

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I'm everyone who's watching Little Busters must be sick of people spoiling other series via comparisons, so I wanted to make this thread for cross-series analysis and ranting.
Wait, never mind, that wasn't even thinly veiled. The OP's a dick. Oh wait.

And yes lol Toei for the worst looking demons ever, and panty shots IIRC. >.
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Old 2015-09-14, 20:57   Link #67
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I don't get why these pleb studios and committees can't adapt our Lord and Savior Tanaka Romeo's rewrite. I mean... It's actually good and written by a critically acclaimed writer. Maeda Jun is still pumping out his same formula like 16 years since air came out
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Angel Beats/Clannad/Charlotte composer Kamachi Ai passed away......This is scarcely comprehensible. RIP
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Dang..... Rest in peace.
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