(L+CR) Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyoku (anime)

[nojay]

Originally Posted by kagato3

it's some kind of leather armor (possibly Wyvern hide as is stated to be really tough and flexible enough to be used to make cloak)

Wyvern leather didn't do the wyvern much good as protection in episode 1 as I recall.

[Panzercracker]

Originally Posted by nojay

The horns on Viking helmets were, I understand, a creation by Christian communities in Europe who were being raided by them. They were evil demons sent by the Devil to afflict good God-fearing folks hence their depiction in folklore as having horns (the helmets had holes in the side for the horns to poke through). The manga "Vinland" is a bit more historically realistic in terms of what Norse and Viking raiders actually wore.

The horned helmet or Veksø helmets is actually appear Bronze Age, which are ceremonial horn helmet. But during the Dark Age, Viking didn't use any horn helmet, not even in any Viking saga. But actually Viking Horn Helmet come fron late 19th century German operas, very first appear of Viking Horn Helmet is in Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen (along side with Valkyrie's wing helmet too, well I like wing helmet instead ). Also, a lot of media franchise usually give bow to female character, while in reality, warbow is almost for male only.

BTW, horns on helmet is actually famous among Knights in mid Medieval era.

[BWTraveller]

As far as "flexible" armor goes, I've seen far worse. There's a few shows I rather enjoy which makes it fairly clear that the armor was steel, and yet big breasted women still bounce as if it was cotton. I think even the girl in The Sacred Blacksmith bounced, and at one point her metal plate corroded and fell off with a clink.

Not to mention that from what I've heard, despite the popular impression, metal armor was actually made to be highly maneuverable, to protect the body while placing as little limit to movement as possible.

[Go0gleplex]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Not to mention that from what I've heard, despite the popular impression, metal armor was actually made to be highly maneuverable, to protect the body while placing as little limit to movement as possible.

Having worn full plate and been friends with a guy that made his living making it and medieval weapons...not to be insulting, but....(ROFLMAO)

Highly maneuverable is NOT a phrase I would associate with full plate. Ever. Yes, it is designed to allow full movement which improved the more you spent upon it. Take gauntlets for example. Low end full plate mitten gauntlet (pretty much the cheapest you can go) has between 12 & 15 separate points of articulation. High end glove style has around 75 separate points of articulation yet still only allows about 85% of your normal movement range.

[Firefly00]

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

The horned helmet or Veksø helmets is actually appear Bronze Age, which are ceremonial horn helmet. But during the Dark Age, Viking didn't use any horn helmet, not even in any Viking saga. But actually Viking Horn Helmet come fron late 19th century German operas, very first appear of Viking Horn Helmet is in Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen (along side with Valkyrie's wing helmet too, well I like wing helmet instead :D).

Making these both examples of Coconut Effect, as I understand it).

Also, a lot of media franchise usually give bow to female character, while in reality, warbow is almost for male only.

Leaving aside issues like draw weight, the 'rationale' for this is explained here... as silly as it is, it makes aversions/subversions thereof all the more amusing.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by nojay

Wyvern leather didn't do the wyvern much good as protection in episode 1 as I recall.

You did see that the archers couldn't even penetrate it's hide and they didn't show how it died as far as we can tell it was killed by blunt force trauma via magic. Even after we see it's corpse there is someone that is hacking at it with a hatchet not doing any noticeable damage to it.

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

As far as "flexible" armor goes, I've seen far worse. There's a few shows I rather enjoy which makes it fairly clear that the armor was steel, and yet big breasted women still bounce as if it was cotton. I think even the girl in The Sacred Blacksmith bounced, and at one point her metal plate corroded and fell off with a clink.

Not to mention that from what I've heard, despite the popular impression, metal armor was actually made to be highly maneuverable, to protect the body while placing as little limit to movement as possible.

Metal armor is not that flexible. I could forgive the breast movement while wielding the sword as an animation error, but there is no way she can be sitting as she was in the cart in full metal armor. The way she moves around in it seems more like a motorcycle body suit than plate armor. It's clear that some parts of the armor must be as flexible as cloth otherwise she couldn't move at all since there aren't any joints (arms, waist, and there are small sleeves under the shoulder guards that are directly connected to the "breastplate" with no joint)

[nojay]

Originally Posted by kagato3

You did see that the archers couldn't even penetrate it's hide and they didn't show how it died as far as we can tell it was killed by blunt force trauma via magic.

Firing arrows upwards is a losing gambit, gravity slows them way down and they lose energy and penetrating force quite quickly. In the Real World birds in flight and sitting in trees can be hunted with bows and arrows but only at quite short range and birds aren't thick-skinned -- indeed arrows used for hunting birds are usually blunted to prevent them from getting stuck in trees (BTDT lost the arrows). Thrown spears might work...

From what I saw in the anime the defence against the wyvern on the ground was based on a lance thicket which made the wyvern back off and I expect that once it was down on the ground then lance thrusts would have been the primary method of execution. Real World flying creatures are light and thin-skinned, RPG world flying animals are usually fuelled partially by magic to assist their inadequate wings for flight. Dragons roll all 20s in the armour rankings because dragons.

Leather armour, especially boiled leather which hardens and condenses the fibres making it more difficult to cut and penetrate, is better than nothing but surface-hardened plate is what you really want in the bad times (or layered ceramic chickenplate over a Kevlar liner...)

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by nojay

Firing arrows upwards is a losing gambit, gravity slows them way down and they lose energy and penetrating force quite quickly. In the Real World birds in flight and sitting in trees can be hunted with bows and arrows but only at quite short range and birds aren't thick-skinned -- indeed arrows used for hunting birds are usually blunted to prevent them from getting stuck in trees (BTDT lost the arrows). Thrown spears might work...

From what I saw in the anime the defence against the wyvern on the ground was based on a lance thicket which made the wyvern back off and I expect that once it was down on the ground then lance thrusts would have been the primary method of execution. Real World flying creatures are light and thin-skinned, RPG world flying animals are usually fuelled partially by magic to assist their inadequate wings for flight. Dragons roll all 20s in the armour rankings because dragons.

Leather armour, especially boiled leather which hardens and condenses the fibres making it more difficult to cut and penetrate, is better than nothing but surface-hardened plate is what you really want in the bad times (or layered ceramic chickenplate over a Kevlar liner...)

They made specific note of the fact that the wyvern's hide AND wing skin was great for effective armor. Not to mention that the skin-thickness and weight requirements of real-world birds doesn't really carry over to wyverns. The size difference is immense, and large animals tend to have thicker skins. The nature of the wings is also difference, with all of the force being produced by a "membrane" rather than feathers, and with the force required for something that big you'd require skin that can handle a lot. There's just no creature that makes a proper comparison to give an accurate assessment of what a wyvern's skin/wings would have. And if you look around, there are actually largely-cloth-based armors that were used in some places that were themselves very highly effective. It's a matter of how it's put together among other things. I'd say it's not terribly unreasonable for a made-up world to have a made-up creature with no viable comparisons possess an impressively powerful hide.

[Go0gleplex]

It's the scales that offer the superior protection, not the hide. And the scales are removed prior to the hide being worked.

I would guess-timate a +40% increase in protection on average from boiled wyvern hide over regular leather, maybe. A broadhead is still going to go straight through it though. Just not as deep. A pilum won't even slow down since it is designed to punch through steel plate.

Just watched the episode with my 11 yr old kid. Ironically even they commented that the animation wasn't that good.

Also noticed another error on Iona's armor. The tassets (hip guards) are drawn as a full skirt other than the front. There should be a rear cut out as well or else she can't even sit down while wearing the tassets. It would be like trying to sit down wearing a long lampshade as a skirt.

[Stark700]

Episode 3 is out. Dang, I really wish they found a better voice actor for Satou...

At least they got Pochi and Tama's personalities right so far. About time Satou saved them from more abuse.

[Mistyclear]

...First impression of this episode—they are going way to fast and yet way to slow in certain areas.
Gets to the stoning portion....they skipped one very major event to reach this point —that’s disappointing. Well then again this is 13 episodes right? Since they’re showing the purple haired girl as a companion...they’re cramming 4 volumes into 13 episodes.
So they skipped a major event and instead wasted part of an episode just to give his impression on foods....I’m speechless.
...the graphics are still terrible, and only now is he checking out his titles?!

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Mistyclear

...First impression of this episode—they are going way to fast and yet way to slow in certain areas.
Gets to the stoning portion....they skipped one very major event to reach this point —that’s disappointing. Well then again this is 13 episodes right? Since they’re showing the purple hair led girl as a companion...they’re cramming 4 volumes into 13 episodes.
So they skipped a major event and instead wasted part of an episode just to give his impression on foods....I’m speechless.
...the graphics are still terrible, and only now is he checking out his titles?!

I personally don't see all that much problem with the graphics. Maybe I'm just a little more forgiving or something, but I overall like it. I do agree that it kind of rushed through the birth of the dungeon. That said, I don't recall it being that long before the purple-haired girl became a member.

Also, this is what I was alluding to with my complaint about "magical beings". This world's "mazoku" are not "magic beings" or "magical tribes". These are straight-up demons, and sure enough they changed the translation accordingly this episode. I really feel like, in the majority cases where there's an original work the series is based on, the translators should be encouraged to at least skim said works in preparation, to help avoiding mistranslations that they have to correct in later eps. It really just takes one person who's checked up on terminology and details on meanings.

[Mistyclear]

^My bad I looked again and the light novel has her appear in volume 2, it was the web novel that has her become a companion in volume 4. Still the pacing for the anime is terrible.

[xeviouses]

Originally Posted by Stark700

Episode 3 is out. Dang, I really wish they found a better voice actor for Satou...
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Glad to know I'm not the only know to not like his voice, not so much as find a better VA but more on the VA not using the higher-pitched voice, it makes Satou sound like he's constantly sucking helium.

[Lukes YGO & WS on YT]

Spoiler for Episode 3 Comments/Feedback:

A date to being with, good start for Satou.

Being able to do washing & drying with magic, that's pretty cool.

The way he used those skills to detect the bad people in the crowd reminds me a lot of the Smartphone in Another World anime.

Those 3 slaves were very useful here and will be good to have around, they will enjoy their new life.

[kagato3]

Ah yes the first example of just how bad Satou is at naming things. For those that are unaware Tama and Pochi are common stereotypical cat and dog names and I don't need to explain Liza(rd).

[DemonneoPT]

Episode 3:

When cgi is used for a simple bat monster you know the studio is struggling hard to make the episodes on time. Luckily, this anime does not seem to have tons of action scenes otherwise it would be painfull for my eyes..lol. Excluding the animation, i have to admit, it's being very interesting so far, especially the way the world is being explored. Sure, i can tell certain scenes are being rushed but overall i'm surprised with all the medieval fantasy elements and the adventure feel in the last episodes. It's also being more effective than Smartphone in the "chill" department with the way the story is told.

By the way, i also hate Satoo's voice... if only he used the same voice as his 30yo self . Actually he should have his 30yo appearance too, but i get it, highschool characters are the way to go in Japan. That and cat loli girls and a full harem cast that are a waste and overused in these type of shows. I knew those elements would definitelly be present since it seems this is the only way to sell fantasy novels to the current japanese otaku so i knew what to expect from the beggining. Without this and with a decent animation, it could actually be an amazing medieval fantasy isekai anime and one of my favorites so far.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Ah yes the first example of just how bad Satou is at naming things. For those that are unaware Tama and Pochi are common stereotypical cat and dog names and I don't need to explain Liza(rd).

In his defense, they cut a tiny piece out here: he specifically says in the LN that he didn't name her Liza for Lizard. Rather, she, unlike the others, remembers her original long name and Liza is an abbreviation.

[Liddo-kun]

Watched episode 3:

Liza somehow reminds of Morgiana from another anime. And I like that the scum priest and that slave owner bit the dust right away, and I also liked that there is a good religious man who helped protect the slaves. Satou new companions are surprisingngly useful.. and they're nice people too.

Looking forward to episode 3.

[Penpa]

Does anyone here know why for ***** they don't translate all th JPN txt especially when he looks at his inventory? Or will that be for a later date to make those translation for those whom don't read JPN to know more about the story? I do think having those items at least translated would lead to better following of the story. If I could read JPN I wouldn't mind it but since I don't every translation here would help with context.