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Perfect 10 | 12 | 19.35% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 26 | 41.94% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 32.26% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 6.45% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-08-08, 09:33 | Link #82 | ||
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2012-08-08, 10:09 | Link #83 | |
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2012-08-08, 17:27 | Link #84 | ||
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Nevertheless while Satoshi's info gathering(which by the way is a skill as opposed to a talent) is hardly noteworthy, what Satoshi does excel at is gaining connections and being sociable( which btw is also not a talent- it may be but I don't consider Satoshi to be that charismatic(think Reinhard von Lohengramm or even Lelouch for that matter when it comes to having innate charisma and gifted socializing ability). Mayaka however is surprisingly sharp and probably indeed make a better Sherlock than Satoshi. There's nothing to argue about regarding theorists being smarter than experimentalists on average btw why are we even having such a long discussion on Hyouka? It's Kyo Ani. Kyo Ani never makes anything thought provoking. Just enjoy the anime without overthinking it . Last edited by GalacticPulsar; 2012-08-08 at 18:34. |
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2012-08-08, 18:03 | Link #85 | |||
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I think there might be some hints that he is attracted to Chitanda besides just physically (and some of them are subtile) The most obvious one that i have seen was at the end of episode 6: "Even if i can predict her actions sometimes, I couldn't hope to understand her heart" As for attitude change , Chitanda did somewhat change Oreki's attitude from the moment that they first met. If you can recall from the first episode Oreki only longed for a "gray school life", however thanks to Chitanda's "hypno eyes" he has been involved in rather many things that made him stand out. I don't expect Oreki changing his attitude even more drastically though. He still prefers not doing anything that makes him stand out regardless how many times he actually has stood out by now. It might be just me, but i have seen attractive looking people in my life that i couldn't stand and i wouldn't hang out with them regardless how good looking they are to me. Last edited by hyl; 2012-08-08 at 18:17. Reason: rephrasing |
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2012-08-08, 18:20 | Link #87 |
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Somewhat off topic: yes.
I have met a few girls in my life (some introduced by my parents for me to marry) who looked attractive, but i couldn't like them personality wise. Even after a few more encounters, i noticed that some of them liked me but i couldnt like them back. To me, looks aren't everything in life. |
2012-08-08, 18:28 | Link #88 | |
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2012-08-08, 18:38 | Link #89 | |
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2012-08-08, 20:41 | Link #92 | ||||
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It has been demonstrated that he is affected by her overwhelmingly hypnotic eyes. It has been demonstrated that he is affected by her sexual allure. He finds her annoying. He doesn't think she's very bright. She irritates him. He thinks nothing of deceiving her or lying to her. Any argument here? But has he demonstrated that he actually likes her as a person? Quote:
"Even if I can predict what she'll do, I can't actually figure out what's going on in her head" Not exactly a subtle hint that he might like her as a person. Anything but. Perhaps someone fluent in the Japanese language could offer another interpretation of what he said. Even your original quote does not actually hint that he likes her as a person. At least I don't see it. Maybe it's just way too subtle for me. Quote:
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2012-08-08, 21:44 | Link #93 |
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I kinda agree with Fred on this. It cannot be disputed that Orecki has been and continues to be patronizing towards Chitanda. It betrays a lack of respect for her, which is a foundational requirement for any sort of mature romantic attraction to her as a person. Then again, let's not forget that the characters are all high school freshmen. At just a few months removed from the elementary, how capable are they really of engaging in any mature romance?
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2012-08-09, 01:12 | Link #94 | ||
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I think you image of an experimentalist is a bit off, but let's not get into that. What I want to argue is "simply collecting data and feed it" is trivialized thing. Raw data are rarely useful. They need to be filtered to separated the signal from the noise i.e. throwing out non-relevant part. And the data are not going to come from thin air. One need to find a reliable source and go collect them. A network of people is another thing Houtarou lacks. He cannot get that overnight either. In short, it maybe true that anyone can do what Satoshi does. However, those "skills" still took time and effort to acquired. I won't take that likely. I disagree with you on that, but that's for another thread |
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2012-08-09, 07:46 | Link #97 |
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As somewhat of a grey life man myself, I'd like to explain a few things about Houtarou's attitude which hopefully may be his thoughts.
1) Houtarou acting rudely towards Chitanda. At first, it was just because he didn't want to get into trouble and thinks that it's a waste of time doing so. He also recognizes Chitanda as an element of change and will shake his life, causing ripples in his current stable life. He does not want that, and prefers to stay within his comfort zone. This behavior is true for anyone although it may manifest in different ways of reaction: Suppose you're chatting with a stranger. No matter how friendly you are on your first few meetings, there will always be a wall between you and the stranger and the strange feeling of uncertainty and rejection. There might be things that you'd like to do now - even something as trivial as doing nothing - than talking to the stranger. Talking from personal experience, strangers - for whatever reason I have no idea about >_> - loves to come up to me for a chat out of nowhere, and while the experience may be pleasant, it is extremely tiring for a gray zone guy like me. Houtarou's choice of reaction happens to be 'be straight to the face that I don't want to get involved' and if that doesn't work, 'work a strategy that would get rid the person I'm facing ASAP'. Sounds crude, but that's exactly anyone would do when they want to be alone. 2) Houtarou's continuous rudeness towards Chitanda. Their friendship had started out that way and Houtarou didn't bother to change his way of talking towards Chitanda because, well... Let's put down another example. I have a friend who greets me 'fk you' every time he sees me online. An extreme example sure, but my friend doesn't actually mean any harm at all and I understand that. Some forms of conversation sounds extremely painful to another person's ears but might just be daily life to the person themselves. It does not necessarily mean a lack of respect. You don't tend to change your way of conversation. It started out that way, it stays that way. It has already become a norm to both Chitanda and Houtarou, so why would they change their way of speech? Perhaps the only time Houtarou is really rude towards his friends is in Episode 11.5, where he doesn't even bother answering any of his friends and practically "Mm" and "Hmm" for half of the episode. Which was later told off by both Satoshi and Mayaka, and he promptly changes his attitude upon realizing it. At least he learns from his mistakes. 3) About Houtarou's attitude 'change for the worse'. This is rather subjective. Some people may see it as an improvement because he's actually talking and participating in life and even voluntarily helping out his friends (flour for the cooking competition). Some may see it worse, because his verbal outbursts happens to be dismissive, reluctant and annoyed. At least he's being obvious about it. The guy also has basically zero social skills; he's actually better than most gray zone guys since he's just lazy and lousy at acting nice. Do remember Chitanda herself maybe a pain for some people to handle and rude, since she basically begs for Houtarou's help relentlessly and excessively until he gives up under pressure, just to satisfy her curiosity. And let's admit it: Some of her curiosities are really nonsensical and a waste of time. That line of thought: "Extremely annoying and wasting my energy' would probably go through anyone's head if they were at the receiving end of Chitanda's curiosity fits. Shyness is also a huge factor when it comes to communicating with each other. Gray zone guys had this mental sickness so bad it's not even funny.
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2012-08-09, 09:12 | Link #98 | |
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...cientists.html - New Yorker is a fairly serious magazine or at least it tries to be. I'm not entirely sure whether the article is a joke of some sorts but it is not impossible for scientists to insult each other in the manner of the CERN and NASA scientists. Scientists like to loosen up once in a while. Last edited by GalacticPulsar; 2012-08-09 at 09:24. |
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2012-08-09, 10:16 | Link #100 | |
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Also high school freshmen in japan are usually 15-16 years old. Because in japan they have 2 stages of education that takes 3 years each and those 2 combined is something similar to what we call high school in most Western countries. |
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