Oda Nobuna no Yabou [Light Novel]

[darkofficer]

wait... So saru is engaged to nobuna o.o

[obnuchious]

confirmation; is shingen's target still nobuna or saru???

[hellraiser85]

Originally Posted by obnuchious

confirmation; is shingen's target still nobuna or saru???

Her main target is still the unification of japan. Despite claiming in the previous volumes that she would be also fighting nobuna over saru, that was retconned later on ( I assume the author wants to allocate more time to her seduction in a later volume) as shingen doesn't show any jealous reaction over his exposed relationship with nobuna and at the end of vol 12 she even says that she sees yoshiharu as a little brother

[rantaid]

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

- following shingen's advice, kenshin conceals herself as a
tourist and goes visit azuchi's castle during its inauguration
day (her main objective however is to find the weak points of
the castle as she hates sieging big fortifications)

Bonus point, Both Kenshin and Shingen are more familiar in open field cavalry battle, in fact four battle in kawanakajima was cavalry clash. also both seems to be familiar with Sonshi whom discouraged prolonged siege warfare

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

- after a short patrol she finds saru and takes him hostage;
saru agrees to show her around the place and tells kenshin
to act as one of her imoutos (she kinda resembles one of
yoshiharu's imoutos trained by Nene) to deceive all the
ninjas that were checking the place

oh dear... not Ishida Mitsunari i hope.

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

- during the battle he effectively manages to corner her using
a variant of the woodpecker strategy previously employed by
shingen's strategist.

yay! Kitsutsuki tactics! The Koyo Gunkan made the analogy with the woodpecker which strikes its beak on the bark of tree, and when the insect rush out through the hole in the bark, the bird gobbles them up.

so basically, it is lure and ambush tactic. Doki is the best! Yamamoto Kansuke ftw! Hashiba Yoshiharu you rascal! that is art of war!

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

following that the oda forces, instructed by kanbei, adopt a
spanish/portuguese battle formation, the tertio, as a defensive
measure.

did not find anything about tertio except as military unit. perhaps pike and shoot formation?

so basically using Kitsutsuki tactics, Hashiba Yoshiharu strike first to lure Kenshin major force to pursue him and attack, and as they fall to the bait, formation shift into defending formation ala testudo and strike them using tanegashima to give shock element and as morale deplete, cavalry unleashed and even if they want to strike tanegashima unit during reloading, the pike wielding infantry act as guard?

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

Kenshin, whose personality was being more and more taken
over by the bishamonten, responds with the same counter she
used against shingen to reverse the tide of the battle: a
complex spiral formation that would grant a sure win at the
coast of very heavy losses on both sides

Chakravyuha! i like! gak rugi nulis fanfic keparat kemarin.
now with her force in stalemate, Kenshin and her tactician Naoe Kanetsugu used this famous Kurumagakari Chakravyuha! to turn situation in her favor. the multilayered defensive formation to exhaust Oda's force into frustation! even if they try to breach , they will be engulfed inside .

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

- yoshiharu decides to gamble everything and charges alone
towards kenshin (as a token of gratitude for showing her
around in azuchi, she had promised him a minute of free
roaming on the battlefield before attacking him).

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

- thanks to kanetsugu's order to let him pass, yoshiharu
reaches the now completely possessed kenshin and finally
frees her from the bishamonten with a kiss.

And The Monkey acted like Abhimannyu. ..... and indeed he is.

oh well...

Three Mori Sister !! Mori Teru-chan, Kikkawa Motoharu, Kobayakawa Takakage !!

wooo hooo! Rance Threesome is no wrong

[The 48th Ronin]

Wait...

Spoiler:

How was the tercio defeated that easily?

[rantaid]

@captain orange

you are asking in story right? then hellraiser85 should answer it. mine was just deduction based on what i know abou Kenshin's Chakravyuha (presumeably)

[hellraiser85]

Originally Posted by Captain Orange

Wait...

Spoiler:

How was the tercio defeated that easily?

kanbei's tercio was yet to be perfected and lacked mobility (it was described as a big square formation completely still). Also it wasn't defeated and it forced kenshin to play her trump card. had yoshiharu not decided to charge alone towards kenshin, echigo's army would have still won but only with huge human losses on both sides, it would have been a Pyrrhic victory.

@rantaid

Bonus point, Both Kenshin and Shingen are more familiar in open field cavalry battle, in fact four battle in kawanakajima was cavalry clash. also both seems to be familiar with Sonshi whom discouraged prolonged siege warfare

yeah that's more or less the same in the novel: the author uses kenshin's weak constitution to justify her preference for quick and decisive battles while shingen is the calculative and cautious type and doesn't like to rush battles. according to the novel kenshin's hate for siege battles stems from her failed attempt to take over odawara castle in the past

oh dear... not Ishida Mitsunari i hope.

her name is ootani kinosuke, she was introduced along with the other 3 imouto in one of the previous volumes

so basically, it is lure and ambush tactic. Doki is the best! Yamamoto Kansuke ftw! Hashiba Yoshiharu you rascal! that is art of war!

yes that's the gist of it, yoshiharu leads the ambushing force and in order to deceive's kenshin, he assaults katsuie the night prior to the battle (only to upset her and be expelled from the army, with 2000 male soldiers deserting too out of admiration for his perverted actions; all the other retainers expect katsuie somehow played along to ensure that katsuie would take drastic measures against saru as they had been previously been notified of yoshiharu's plan) and causes kenshin's rational judgement and perfect insight for strategies to get clouded by rage as he loudly claims that he has already conquered her heart.

[IndexOfIdeas]

Hellraizer thanks for the yummy summary

[rantaid]

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

kanbei's tercio was yet to be perfected and lacked mobility (it was
described as a big square formation completely still). Also it wasn't
defeated and it forced kenshin to play her trump card. had yoshiharu not
decided to charge alone towards kenshin, echigo's army would have still
won but only with huge human losses on both sides, it would have been a
Pyrrhic victory.

so it is indeed pike and shoot. at first i mistook it as Qi Jiguangof Ming 's mandarin duck where shot and long weapon are integrated.

basically, when cavalry rush/charge, they were intercepted by pike/spear infantry. when Cavalry are blocked, formation where opened to reveal the tanegashima/arquebuss unit inside to barrage the trapped cavalry distracted by infantry.

after firing release, the infantry cover the tanegashima again to give them time for reload for second round.

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

yeah that's more or less the same in the novel: the author uses kenshin's
weak constitution to justify her preference for quick and decisive battles
while shingen is the calculative and cautious type and doesn't like to rush
battles. according to the novel kenshin's hate for siege battles stems from
her failed attempt to take over odawara castle in the past

Houjou

japan has very few interesting record on siege warfare, except Kusunoki Masashige on Chihaya.

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

her name is ootani kinosuke, she was introduced along with the other 3
imouto in one of the previous volumes

never heard of him, perhaps from Korean campaign?

Originally Posted by hellraiser85

yes that's the gist of it, yoshiharu leads the ambushing force and in order
to deceive's kenshin, he assaults katsuie the night prior to the battle (only
to upset her and be expelled from the army, with 2000 male soldiers
deserting too out of admiration for his perverted actions; all the other
retainers expect katsuie somehow played along to ensure that katsuie
would take drastic measures against saru as they had been previously been
notified of yoshiharu's plan) and causes kenshin's rational judgement and
perfect insight for strategies to get clouded by rage as he loudly claims
that he has already conquered her heart.

i would desert too if i am also his ashigaru, no one hates a cunning brave pervert. that is how Tyrion Lannister won Bronn's service in Vale.

so a bait to lure them toward where Shot and pike of tercio be prepared. it fits the description indeed.

so i assume, Chakravyuha were unleashed to frustate the Oda with their own defensive formation of The Chakravyuha. entice them to get enrage and attack their own formation directly because when the spinning chakravyuha corner them, they would lose geographical (terrain) advantage. well, indeed two defensive formation against each other was like immovable object and unstoppable force. a war of attrition.

and the author do take the solution from Mahabharata (or Eiji Yoshikawa's Uesugi Kenshin). a brave maharathi who is unafraid of death be sacrificed to penetrate the formation from the inside.

sacrificed, because Abhimanyu himself and Doki Kansuke also have to use suicidal attack and be surrounded and outnumbered in the center inside of the formation.

[Avaricia]

Originally Posted by darkofficer

wait... So Saturday is engaged to nobuna o.o

Saturday? U wot m8

[darkofficer]

Originally Posted by Avaricia

Saturday? U wot m8

I mean saru damm you auto correct

[amigos]

can someone explain me why vol.11 isn't at lightnovel.cn?
i was willing to use Google chrome translation to read yoshiharuxmori sisters story but only that volume had to be missing...

[Linkmstr]

Waits for volume 11 translations. @3@;

[hellraiser85]

Originally Posted by amigos

can someone explain me why vol.11 isn't at lightnovel.cn?
i was willing to use Google chrome translation to read yoshiharuxmori sisters story but only that volume had to be missing...

I have the japanese text, if you need it

[deathstroke]

please dont day something like "read the 200 pages". I just want to know. Is this LN still being translated?

[The 48th Ronin]

Where can I find the summaries for Vol. 11?

[tuckersister]

Nobuna will treat the Yoshharu Clan like her family as the clan is Sagara's family technically.

[The 48th Ronin]

I was actually surprised the author took so long to dig up Saru's potential Fujiwara lineage.

[Breimn]

Would that also not mean that he will considered a noble and will be able to marry Nobuna?Sorry , not really following on all events think i got up to christmas kiss.

[justpassingby]

Vol 01 Cover

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