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GDB · 2015-05-23, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Haak

"Just because you're correct, doesn't make you right!"

You've done it again, Shirou. You've done it again.

Except it makes perfect sense, even without context.

Levani · 2015-05-23, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Haak

"Just because you're correct, doesn't make you right!"

You've done it again, Shirou. You've done it again.

This is actually pretty deep. The word "correct" is more associated with a fact being true. The word "right" is frequently associated with "moral righteousness".

For example : it may be correct for you to sacrifice someone else for your survival, but it's not "right".

Tenzen12 · 2015-05-23, 15:57

Last episode was rather exposition heavy, but this one.... is same in that respect, but twice as enjoyable. Anyway Lancer is both Badass and bro. He is one of my most favourite characters in Nasu.

For EMYA vs Emya, it really made me reminiscent old good times when Alex and Gil bullied Saber, she really should take a hint

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As for Shiro, I don't remember who said it (maybe Enstein?) that repeat same thing again and again while expecting different result is insane, yet he just charge into Death End without single hesitation. I guess he just have to be suicidal no metter which route he takes. At least he is more showy about it this time.

Haak · 2015-05-23, 15:59

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Originally Posted by GDB

Except it makes perfect sense, even without context.

Oh come on, no it doesn't. You definitely need the context there.

Levani · 2015-05-23, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Haak

Oh come on, no it doesn't. You definitely need the context there.

No, you really don't...

erneiz_hyde · 2015-05-23, 16:06

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Originally Posted by GreyZone

What do you mean "Steel is my body"? That's not what he says! Also Archer was definitly not "out of mana", so I think there was also a mistake with either Saber's line or what Archer answered afterwards...

"Steel" is a common metaphor to refer to swords or the like, so that is actually a clever translation. And "maryoku gire" translates to "out of mana" just fine. Granted, "running out of mana" works too (although it misses a word that clearly indicates that state "kaketeiru"), and perhaps would ire people like you less, so that's a missed opportunity on the translator's part (or, I don't know, it could be the script that doesn't make sense in the first place!). And Archer didn't deny Saber, he just asserted that even if he is running out of mana, Shirou still can't kill him anyway.

Levani · 2015-05-23, 16:08

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"Just because you're correct, doesn't make you right!"

By the way, the literal translation of this line is "You being correct is just that, nothing else."

"お前の正しさはただ正しいだけのものだ。"

"Omae no tadashisa wa tada tadashii dake no mono da."

cf18 · 2015-05-23, 16:10

Question: for the whole time when Rin was awake in the castle, could she use a command spell to get Saber to save her?

erneiz_hyde · 2015-05-23, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Levani

No, you really don't...

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Originally Posted by Levani

This is actually pretty deep. The word "correct" is more associated with a fact being true. The word "right" is frequently associated with "moral righteousness".

For example : it may be correct for you to sacrifice someone else for your survival, but it's not "right".

"truth" and "moral righteousness" are two different contexts already.
Also, I know there is a word for this type of wordplay and I googled a bit, it's called Antanaclasis

Gaulek · 2015-05-23, 16:21

ShadowSamurai365 · 2015-05-23, 16:23

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Originally Posted by cf18

Question: for the whole time when Rin was awake in the castle, could she use a command spell to get Saber to save her?

I'm not sure why she didn't use her Command Spells (if she was able to). When she was awake, the scene in the VN only stated that the ropes that binded her were magic-resistant; along with the fact Rin felt that her magic reserves (or something related to her prana) were completely messed up (maybe Archer did something similar to how he healed Shirou, along with how he knocked Rin unconscious at the church).

Levani · 2015-05-23, 16:25

Archer would stop the Command Seal same way Rider does in one of the bed ends, right? Or maybe he wouldn't go that far...

HandofFate · 2015-05-23, 16:45

They knew it was pretty much not compatible to try to deliver the same descriptive intensity the text did for the fight in the same way if they tried to just animate the fighting, so they decided to deliver it in a different way while keeping the same meaning and adding so many scenes.

why are you so good ufotable

bakato · 2015-05-23, 16:50

Can someone clarify this philosophical argument for me?

Is Shiro denying that he will end up like Archer? Or is he admitting that he will, but he won't regret it like Archer?

HandofFate · 2015-05-23, 16:56

i took it as the latter

Haak · 2015-05-23, 17:19

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

They knew it was pretty much not compatible to try to deliver the same descriptive intensity the text did for the fight in the same way if they tried to just animate the fighting, so they decided to deliver it in a different way while keeping the same meaning and adding so many scenes.

why are you so good ufotable

I know right? It was a really great move to have some introspection between Shirou and his inner doubts (taking the form of Archer). I don't even recall Shirou in the novel being that self aware: All I remember is the novel emphasising Shirou's determination not to lose.

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Originally Posted by bakato

Can someone clarify this philosophical argument for me?

Is Shiro denying that he will end up like Archer? Or is he admitting that he will, but he won't regret it like Archer?

It's the latter. Despite knowing what it'll likely bring him, he still admires Kiritsugu's ideals and doesn't think he will regret it, even if it does lead him to hell. When he said he won't become Archer, he said that only because he doesn't believe he will regret anything like Archer did.

Dengar · 2015-05-23, 17:34

This episode was good... I really can't say anything else. I'm amazed. I wonder what the puritans over at MAL think.

On a side note, to me "correct" and "right" are not synonymous.

Mad Pierrot · 2015-05-23, 17:36

Maybe the blood loss affected him

bakato · 2015-05-23, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Polarpew

of course its still more effective to be in a contract with Saber for maximum effect like how in Fate/Zero during Kiritsugu's fight with Kirei, he regenerated a crushed heart from Kirei's strike in moments instantaneously. Here Shirou is mererly suffering from some stab wounds which is nothing in comparison, prana from close contact with Saber works fine

Wait a second. Then why isn't Archer being healed? He's a perfect copy of the future Shirou so he should have Avalon, too.

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Originally Posted by amaterasu4

Maybe the blood loss affected him

But he was healed by Avalon before he said that.

Ernietheracefan · 2015-05-23, 17:42

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Originally Posted by Gaulek

LOL...

Lancer is dead (in badass & heroic style) and didn't rants & cursing another master (apart from Kirei).

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Originally Posted by Dengar

This episode was good... I really can't say anything else. I'm amazed. I wonder what the puritans over at MAL think.

You forgot to mention Seventhstyle..

Speaking of EMIYA theme, how was it..?

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Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Last episode was rather exposition heavy, but this one.... is same in that respect, but twice as enjoyable. Anyway Lancer is both Badass and bro. He is one of my most favourite characters in Nasu. For EMYA vs Emya, it really made me reminiscent old good times when Alex and Gil bullied Saber, she really should take a hint. As for Shiro, I don't remember who said it (maybe Enstein?) that repeat same thing again and again while expecting different result is insane, yet he just charge into Death End without single hesitation. I guess he just have to be suicidal no metter which route he takes. At least he is more showy about it this time. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	They knew it was pretty much not compatible to try to deliver the same descriptive intensity the text did for the fight in the same way if they tried to just animate the fighting, so they decided to deliver it in a different way while keeping the same meaning and adding so many scenes. why are you so good ufotable __________________ ...

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	i took it as the latter __________________ ...

2015-05-23, 17:36	Link #38
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	Maybe the blood loss affected him __________________

2015-05-23, 16:10	Link #28
cf18 Mecha Pilot Join Date: Apr 2003	Question: for the whole time when Rin was awake in the castle, could she use a command spell to get Saber to save her?

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2015-05-23, 16:25	Link #32
Levani 貴方が私のマスターか？ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia, Tbilisi	Archer would stop the Command Seal same way Rider does in one of the bed ends, right? Or maybe he wouldn't go that far...

2015-05-23, 16:50	Link #34
bakato Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Can someone clarify this philosophical argument for me? Is Shiro denying that he will end up like Archer? Or is he admitting that he will, but he won't regret it like Archer?

2015-05-23, 17:34	Link #37
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	This episode was good... I really can't say anything else. I'm amazed. I wonder what the puritans over at MAL think. On a side note, to me "correct" and "right" are not synonymous.