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2012-05-21, 12:49 | Link #62 |
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I'm fully that war is very unlikely at this point in time. I just made a small point about Iran possibly being the belligerent and suddenly the whole thing spiralled into a huge debate about every single possible factor relating to that one point.
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2012-05-21, 12:59 | Link #64 |
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Does make me worry about USS Enterprise (CVN-65). She is on her last tour and it is in the Persian Gulf. She is to be retired in December. While a lot of people want to see her preserved (lot of firsts on that ship, and also to save her from the fate of her predicessor (CV-6) that was probably even more famous) it looks like it will be too expensive to do anything with her once they cut out all the reactors and other associated nuclear systems (a cleanup of the area after it has been in use since 1961), that they will likely scrap her after they are finished in 2015.
If life was a TV show, she's be throwing up a bunch of death flags.
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2012-05-21, 14:13 | Link #66 |
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Also it would be "cheaper" to have her sunk in enemy action than to to pull her reactors and scrap her. Very "heroic noble sacrifice" sort of way. Legendary vessel sunk on its last mission sort of thing.
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2012-05-21, 14:17 | Link #68 |
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Enterprise has been in many wars. Not all of them since 1961, but most (she missed Desert Storm because she was being refueled and refitted at the time). She has seen her share of conflict. Though rarely ever under direct threat of attack.
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2012-05-21, 15:25 | Link #70 |
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Traditional yes. Though her predecessor saw a lot of direct action under the eyes of Japanese Naval Aviation attacks against US Naval Vessels. The world is such that there are few that can get close enough to attack an American Carrier directly. And still fewer that have the ability to fire from beyond defensive ranges with missiles.
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2012-05-21, 15:47 | Link #72 |
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If you can figure out how to launch something the is roughly 93,000 tons and over 340 meters long, Okay. (though she will be less weight once all her reactors and surrounding areas are removed since they say there will be practically nothing below the flight deck that is viable after they remove all that stuff.)
And how to make her airtight and vaccum viable. Because Space Carrier Enterprise (or Starship) would be fine too.
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Eight soldiers were patrolling the border (I'd imagine border patrols are pretty common and non-controversial) in two armoured Humvees. Besides the two that were captured, three were killed and three were injured. Quote:
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And just so you know, Israel haven't actually attacked Iran and are very unlikely to atm.
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Small enough to not causing military reaction, but specific enough for a certain purpose/ target. Don't think it was China or Russia trying to set up a WW3 or so here Edit: btw i think we really are off topic now. Should get back on the US role and legitimacy of military actions toward Iran
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2012-05-21, 23:19 | Link #77 |
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It appears to be called the Zar'it-Shtula incident
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But yeah I get what you're saying. When Israel is belligerent, then Israel is at fault. But when someone else is belligerent, it suddenly doesn't matter who started it... Quote:
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Sadly legitimacy has nothing to do with this whole affair. This is a simple economical affair. In our lifetimes the world production of oil will be surpassed by world demand. Some say this has already started, but there is some debate about that. Thing is the USA is fixated on getting its oil fix, that is why they invaded Iraq and that is will try to invade Iran and they will do it with or without a UN resolution, the real question is how involved will be Russia to prevent a succesfull invasion. |
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