Brexit Vote

[Key Board]

"Nigel Farage has announced plans to apologise to the American people on behalf of Britain for criticisms made of Donald Trump during his presidential campaign."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7442376.html

Have him fight Chris Cristie in a ring for cabinet positions

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Has he NO SHAME? How could he possibly speak for the UK, a nation he abandoned after screwing with it?

[Draco Spirit]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Has he NO SHAME? How could he possibly speak for the UK, a nation he abandoned after screwing with it?

Speaks better for the white working class than Labor does. Remember some us are rather glad were finally cutting our nation free from the EU and all its stupidity.

[RichardFromMarple]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

Speaks better for the white working class than Labor does. Remember some us are rather glad were finally cutting our nation free from the EU and all its stupidity.

Ironically they are going to be worse off after Brexit, already the cost of living is raising.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

Speaks better for the white working class than Labor does. Remember some us are rather glad were finally cutting our nation free from the EU and all its stupidity.

Why does everything have to revolve around the white working class? They are not alone as far as I'm concerned unless they are still mentally stuck in a different decade. I just HATE it when one group in particular tries to monopolise everyone's attention and then say lot of BS to sell it as everyone's woes.

[Draco Spirit]

Because there been generally increasingly ignore by the Left in recent years and the ones getting the worse negative effects of mass migration? Like decreased access to services. (dental, housing and schooling) and decreased wages as mass cheep foreign labor makes it easier to keep wages rock bottom.

[Haak]

If 2016 is the year one half doesn't want to talk about, it seems 2008 is the year the other half has already forgotten...

[Ithekro]

I have pointed out the irony in those two years.

[Draco Spirit]

So...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7472706.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Bradshaw.html

Am I the only one who this claim is a clutch at straws for excuses?

[Haak]

The subject was about Russia's aggressive foreign policy and the Brexit mention was an off hand side comment. Love how the Daily Fail twists into something else entirely. XP

Yes, i definitely see clutching at straws...

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

So...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7472706.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Bradshaw.html

Am I the only one who this claim is a clutch at straws for excuses?

Breaking news: Putin himself hacked voting using Tor ... probably

[Arabesque]

Well. This upcoming week should prove to be interesting to say the least

Brexit: PM expected to say UK prepared to leave single market‬

Theresa May is expected to announce the UK is prepared to leave the single market, the customs union and European Court of Justice.

The PM’s willingness to give up membership of the single market will be made clear in a major speech at Lancaster House in London on Tuesday, according to the Sun on Sunday.

Her red lines will be an end to free movement from the EU and clearance to hold bilateral trade talks with other countries, which it is thought will not be achievable while still in the single market.

A Downing Street Source told Sky News: "The issue of the single market and the customs union will be answered on Tuesday when the Prime Minister sets out her negotiations."

[...]

Mrs May insisted she was not "muddled" in her thinking about leaving the European Union but warned Britain cannot expect to hold onto “bits” of its membership.

The PM is also expected to use her speech to appeal for the country to unite post-Brexit and end "division and the language associated with it."

She will also condemn the use of the words "Leaver" and "Remainer" as she asks for Britain to "unite to make a success of Brexit".

:: PM urged to set out Brexit plan by mid-February

She will say that while people may have had different views about the outcome of referendum, "the victors have the responsibility to act magnanimously. The losers have the responsibility to respect the legitimacy of the result. And the country comes together".

She will add: "The overwhelming majority of people – however they voted – say we need to get on and make Brexit happen.

"Business isn’t calling to reverse the result, but planning to make a success of it. And the House of Commons has voted overwhelmingly for us to get on with it too.

"So the country is coming together. Now we need to put an end to the division and the language associated with it – Leaver and Remainer and all the accompanying insults – and unite to make a success of Brexit and build a truly Global Britain."

Sort of in a "I'll believe it when I see it" phase now, but wouldn't be shocked to see her follow through and announce that her intentions will be to take us out of the single market and threaten UK citizens abroad (and the EU citizens here. And that's not even approaching the UK and EU citizens married to each other. And businesses that rely on both).

But this is more or less a sign that the 4 Freedoms are not going to be on the negotiating table. Which was expected, but I guess some are going to get a really nasty surprise over it.

But, again, this is what she's "expected" to announce. We shall see what happens. I just hope the pound doesn't go crazy again.

Oh and

Meanwhile, reports have emerged that the Netherlands will block any trade deal with the UK unless it signs up to tough tax avoidance regulations preventing it from becoming a tax haven.

So, more fuckry involved in the future. I can't imagine May actually plan to turn the country into a tax haven, but given that London's financial passport is going to be thrown into the furnace if we are out of the single market, who knows.

Man, I don't want to know what the prices will look like if we do trade with the EU on WTO terms. Might as well not go out shopping.

[Draco Spirit]

In all honesty, a quick clean break with the EU the only sensible way forward at this point. Free Movement was the biggest cause of Leaves votes and the EU made it very clear it's the Four Freedom or none of them.. plus they need to be seen to 'punish' the UK for leaving, that going to make any deal making unpleasantness for us.

So why hang around when nothing likely good to come out it but uncertainty and arguments that go nowhere? We need to start cutting deals of our own with the greater world and then come back to the EU when there more use to the idea that we don't want excessive immigration.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

In all honesty, a quick clean break with the EU the only sensible way forward at this point. Free Movement was the biggest cause of Leaves votes and the EU made it very clear it's the Four Freedom or none of them.. plus they need to be seen to 'punish' the UK for leaving, that going to make any deal making unpleasantness for us.

It's more of a case of whether the EU was going to join in the game of self inflicting wounds the UK is playing, and it seems there is only ever going to be one player now.

If anything, this will now won't be quick or clean, especially with signaling that the UK might indeed become a tax haven. Things are going to get messy, and the UK will suffer as a whole.

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

So why hang around when nothing likely good to come out it but uncertainty and arguments that go nowhere? We need to start cutting deals of our own with the greater world and then come back to the EU when there more use to the idea that we don't want excessive immigration.

I don't think there is a chance at coming back into the EU, at least not with the same standing we used to have. Most certainly not if the threat of becoming a tax haven goes through.

It will certainly help with cutting deals worldwide though, but people will end suffering if business laws are thrown to the wayside to allow for lower cooperate taxes.

As for immigration, unless there is a way to have the single market function as it does without Freedom of Movement, then people from Poland, Italy, Spain and France et al. are going to move into Germany, and vice versa.

[Arabesque]

double post, but given the speech happened, might as well talk about the interesting bit

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-bri...-idUKKBN1502H2

May delivered the most important address of her half year in power at Lancaster House, a stately government-owned mansion in central London where former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, set out British support for the single market in 1988.

Setting a firm tone for negotiations, May announced that Britain would exit the EU with no trade deal at all if it was not satisfied with what was on offer. "No deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain," May said.

She also hinted that Britain could use tax breaks as a way to fight back to keep businesses, if the EU insisted on punitive tariffs: Britain would have the freedom to set competitive tax rates to attract global companies and investors, she said.

A worrying threat, given that the matter in whether a good deal will come out of 2 years of getting out of the EU isn't entirely in May's hand. Hell, we are still waiting on the Supreme Courts decision on whether parliament or her will get to trigger Article 50. With the single market off the table now, there is little the UK could gain from the EU now, outside of maybe figuring out how to maintain businesses in London when the financial passport is taken away.

And that's not to mention her talking about going to India for deals, of all places. Or having any measure of faith in Trump maintaining his promises. Yeesh.

Interesting times are ahead of us, that's for sure.

The upside from this is at the pound didn't go ballistic today. That is a plus for sure. Seems the decision to leak the contents of the speech and sugarcoat a lot of the problems ahead let the markets be assured of where the direction will be going forward.

Sturgeon had already given her response, which is further indication for a second referendum coming in the future. How many unions will be broken because of this in the end.

[Draco Spirit]

I was reading her speech earlier while on break at work. It seems she going for the firm, but fair Hard Brexit with a lot of focus going onto showing empathy to the yes voters, reassuring the no voters there worries have been heard and telling the EU that if it wants to play dumb punishment games then she won't play ball and do things that screw them over if it helps the UK.... while also saying she rather not.

[MrTerrorist]

Brexit: Supreme Court to announce judgement

So now we will learn whether it's either the Prime Minister or Parliament that can enact Article 50.
If the Supreme Court chooses the latter, it's going to be a slap on the face for May who went full Brexit.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Supreme court rules parliament must have vote to trigger article 50

Basically, Theresa May is fucked with her plan of full Brexit. According to what I can gather, Westminster will never gather enough votes at the House of Commons for Brexit, and it is more than likely that the referendum results will be dumped in the bin, get gasoline poured upon, and burned into ashes.

[MrTerrorist]

So it's soft Brexit then?

[James Rye]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

So it's soft Brexit then?

There is no soft Brexit, at least not the way the Brexieers imagine it would/should be like.