(L+CR) Demi-chan wa Kataritai (Interviews with Monster Girls)

[npal]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

There's one thing that makes me curious though: the "pedobear"-sighting by Hikari. Could it be Kurtz? If so, then what is he actually?

She probably meant Ugaki, she spotted him watching them.

[Ghostfriendly]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I don’t think it’s unbelievable.

There's one thing that makes me curious though: the "pedobear"-sighting by Hikari. Could it be Kurtz? If so, then what is he actually?

I think it's much more believable for a deliberate molester to target a known succubus and blame it on her aura. Men could even commit crimes under the influence, like punching her boyfriend or shooting Ronald Reagan, that the Succubus had never intended. I'll admit the police should have a list of Succubi so that crimes would be much harder to commit. Kunoichi are a special case since their honour presumably compels them to do anything for their mission. If a Succubus was being paid to seduce people, police should investigate it similarly to a normal blackmail case.

I did think Kurtz was going to be a werebear at first, and then that the detective was something supernatural, but it seems not.

[nojay]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

There's one thing that makes me curious though: the "pedobear"-sighting by Hikari. Could it be Kurtz? If so, then what is he actually?

One thing that I noticed about his appearance was that we only saw one of his eyes, the left one, for nearly all of the anime scenes where he appeared. However his right eye was shown briefly when Hikari bumped into him.

One-eyed youkai (monsters) exist in Japanese folklore. GeGeGe no Kitarō is an old manga about such a boy-youkai whose hair covers his missing eye in a similar manner to Kurtz' hairstyle. It's possible some (or all) male demi-human youkai would be immune to the aphrodisiac effects of succubi hence Ugaki-san describing him as a "secret weapon".

Wild speculation -- as with Hikari and Yuki it might be that Kurtz is a demi-human with an ordinary appearance, including having two eyes but one of them is "special" or supernatural in some way and they tend to keep it covered up most of the time for the same reasons Sakie-sensei dresses so conservatively.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

I think it's much more believable for a deliberate molester to target a known succubus and blame it on her aura. Men could even commit crimes under the influence, like punching her boyfriend or shooting Ronald Reagan, that the Succubus had never intended. I'll admit the police should have a list of Succubi so that crimes would be much harder to commit. Kunoichi are a special case since their honour presumably compels them to do anything for their mission. If a Succubus was being paid to seduce people, police should investigate it similarly to a normal blackmail case.

I'm responding more to your bolded statement: It goes both ways. Both cases are possible. That's the point that Ugaki made to Takahashi with his story. Both the molester & the molested-succubus can be the suspect. The problem is, it's difficult to prove one way or another. The man can claim that the Succubus' aura made him do it while the Succubus can claim that the man was a molester who molested her to begin with. The difficulty to prove it is the point of the conversation, not chauvinistic remarks. Also, he's a detective, so of course he will consider all remote possibilities, especially for similar cases that already happened before even among mere humans.

[FredFriendly]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Heh, the biggest hint that Kurtz is an Incubus is when Hikari felt a "Sakie-vibe" from him to the point that she called him Sakki before noticing that he's a boy. That hint is as clear as day, and I didn't even put any effort to notice it. I don't think a simple gay-boy would "emanate" a "Sakie-vibe" towards Hikari since Sakie is not gay AFAIK. So yeah, given the logic, I lean more toward Kurtz being an Incubus.

But of course, that clue above could be a red herring and it turns out that Kurtz is just a gay or a trap or something else. I'm cool with it either way ..

As with most of the Kurt(z) scenes...

Spoiler for comparison to the source material:

the scene where Hikari bumped into him is anime-original. Nothing of the sort happened in the manga, so it may well just be the anime staff wanting to create a red herring, or worse, changing the actual intent of the mangaka like so many screen writers are want to do these days thinking they know better than the original authors.

The scene with Satake-kun was also anime-original and, frankly, other than the photo of Succubus-san, I didn't like it. The whole scene seemed to be an attempt to boost the audience's impression of Kurt(z) from the cry-baby that he actually is. It also portrayed Satake-kun as your typical drooling high school perv, which is certainly not the impression I had of him.

So much screen-time wasted on the least important character introduced so far. Did we really need to see Kurt(z) wandering around the school hallways like a buffoon? All that anime-original screen-time should have been devoted Succubus-san.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

As with most of the Kurt(z) scenes...

Spoiler for comparison to the source material:

the scene where Hikari bumped into him is anime-original. Nothing of the sort happened in the manga, so it may well just be the anime staff wanting to create a red herring, or worse, changing the actual intent of the mangaka like so many screen writers are want to do these days thinking they know better than the original authors.

The scene with Satake-kun was also anime-original and, frankly, other than the photo of Succubus-san, I didn't like it. The whole scene seemed to be an attempt to boost the audience's impression of Kurt(z) from the cry-baby that he actually is. It also portrayed Satake-kun as your typical drooling high school perv, which is certainly not the impression I had of him.

So much screen-time wasted on the least important character introduced so far. Did we really need to see Kurt(z) wandering around the school hallways like a buffoon? All that anime-original screen-time should have been devoted Succubus-san.

I'm not opening that spoiler of yours since I don't want to be spoiled anything. If your answer is only comparison with the source material then I'd say no thanks. I'd rather treat the anime as its own thing and not demanding it to follow the manga really closely if it doesn't have to because the story is fine so far. And as far as I'm concerned, the scenes with Kurtz are amusing and it entertains me enough to make me want to know more about his character.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

There's one thing that makes me curious though: the "pedobear"-sighting by Hikari. Could it be Kurtz? If so, then what is he actually?

She's talking about Ugaki. He's bigger than Tetsuo (which takes some doing), has (somewhat) unkempt hair, and has a piercing gaze.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I'm responding more to your bolded statement: It goes both ways. Both cases are possible. That's the point that Ugaki made to Takahashi with his story. Both the molester & the molested-succubus can be the suspect. The problem is, it's difficult to prove one way or another. The man can claim that the Succubus' aura made him do it while the Succubus can claim that the man was a molester who molested her to begin with. The difficulty to prove it is the point of the conversation, not chauvinistic remarks. Also, he's a detective, so of course he will consider all remote possibilities, especially for similar cases that already happened before even among mere humans.

Yup. I thought it was quite clear.

If both are normal humans, all you have to do is prove that the molesting occurred. If a succubus is involved then you have to prove motive as well. Because that's hard, Ugaki and the like had to sound out succubus in advance to see if they're likely to induce such crimes, and because of that the succubus generally don't like him.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I'm responding more to your bolded statement: It goes both ways. Both cases are possible. That's the point that Ugaki made to Takahashi with his story. Both the molester & the molested-succubus can be the suspect. The problem is, it's difficult to prove one way or another. The man can claim that the Succubus' aura made him do it while the Succubus can claim that the man was a molester who molested her to begin with. The difficulty to prove it is the point of the conversation, not chauvinistic remarks. Also, he's a detective, so of course he will consider all remote possibilities, especially for similar cases that already happened before even among mere humans.

Yeah, exactly. What would be chauvinistic would be to be biased/presume that the woman is at fault in a real life case even if the evidence points to the contrary. Considering it a possibility is reasonable. Also because, if everyone was ashamed of even considering it, that would actually mean it'd be more advantageous to try and do it since you'd be more likely to get away with it. Obviously it's not something that happens very often, but it's not like there aren't women able to act in such a petty way for the sake of revenge on a lover that cheated on them or something, for example.

[BWTraveller]

I recall another thread somehow brought up an article someone wrote on how the succubi can to an extent be seen in this series to sort of demonstrate matters about sexuality and people's choices concerning sexuality and chastity. I'd say this conversation also gave a fairly interesting look at sexuality, attraction, and matters concerning safety. The officer is faced with a bad situation. It seems he's actually had cases in which succubi ran wild without concern for the consequences and cases where they deliberately set men up so they could be "victims" and get attention while putting some jerk behind bars. Like any group of people, many to most are good people who would never dream of doing this, but there are bad apples. As a result he's having to examine them concerning things they could hypothetically do, and also recommending they place personal restrictions for personal safety. There is legitimate value to this, but it can easily come across as "slut-shaming".

I think the same thing can be said in the real world. There are most definitely things that increase sexual interest and predatory attention, whether it be choice of outfit or various behaviors, and these can increase the risk of unwanted attention and offenses. As a result, it is frankly safer for everyone to stop and think about whether their choices might give the wrong impression. This is not saying "if you dressed/acted like this you were asking for it", but it can easily come across that way. Similarly, though rare there legitimately are cases of people falsely accusing others of sexual offenses. And by the time the accuser's proven to have set the person up, the person's reputation and entire life could be ruined by the supposition of guilt. And one of the first things any offender will say is that the victim set him up and it was all consensual. Even if the investigator is certain that it's not a malicious false accusation, they still need to examine the angle to properly combat the accusations.

I've heard complaints in other locations concerning all sorts of matters with girls being encouraged to show more "modesty", such as repeatedly warning young ladies that shortening their skirts is against school rules. As I said, this is a reasonable thing to say, as deliberately breaking the rules to increase exposure can inadvertently increase a person's chance of receiving unwanted attention. But some people would insist that this is somehow shaming the people who broke the rule or that it's implying that it's their fault if they're victimized. It's a tight-rope walk, but it is something to be legitimately concerned about. Inserting the succubus race simply enhances this and makes it in some ways easier to demonstrate.

I'm probably putting a lot into such a simple conversation, but again just as sexual attraction and predation are serious matters of concern in the real world without the overpowered intensity of a succubus, so is the problem of trying to deal with matters of safety, courtesy, and the risk of deceit without coming across as judgmental and accusatory.

[Itlandm]

I just earlier today read about an episode from our own world, where an office worker had a visit by his younger sister who wanted to see his workplace. After she left, he was surrounded by male coworkers eager to learn whether she was available, until he told them that she was 15! So even in our reality, there are some women who have a disproportionate physical presence, simply by their looks and body language and perhaps smell. So the concept of a mutant "succubus" could be used in storytelling to exaggerate real problems and opportunities that exist in our world.

I have to say I am impressed by how they manage to shed light on such topics and yet keep the show "family friendly". Good job!

[Ghostfriendly]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I'm responding more to your bolded statement: It goes both ways. Both cases are possible. That's the point that Ugaki made to Takahashi with his story. Both the molester & the molested-succubus can be the suspect. The problem is, it's difficult to prove one way or another. The man can claim that the Succubus' aura made him do it while the Succubus can claim that the man was a molester who molested her to begin with. The difficulty to prove it is the point of the conversation, not chauvinistic remarks. Also, he's a detective, so of course he will consider all remote possibilities, especially for similar cases that already happened before even among mere humans.

The way Ugaki presented the scenario emphasised that the Succubus, not the molester, might be at fault, when being a Succubus increases chances further of being a victim. In fact, unless it can be proved that the man had no physical contact with the succubus before molesting her, he can't be held responsible for his actions, whatever her intent, and won't get convicted, making the whole frame-up idea implausible, if all the succubi are known to police. Though it has occurred to me that a Succubi could probably touch a man from behind, and increase the chance of him molesting another woman, yet another scenario that would've been more convincing.

I found the detective's conversation with Sakie rather chauvinistic as well, with comments like 'not liking to see a woman living on her own'. He's absolutely a crusty old war horse from a pre-feminism generation, but certainly not a bad person.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

The way Ugaki presented the scenario emphasised that the Succubus, not the molester, might be at fault, when being a Succubus increases chances further of being a victim.

The male being the criminal is already commonplace amongst humans & demis in most cases to the point that it doesn’t need to be mentioned further, so Ugaki was focusing on the more rare occurrence where the Succubus is the offender by using her aura to make the man to touch her. But that doesn’t mean that he only views the incident from one POV. Like I said, Ugaki is a detective, and a detective’s job is to consider all kinds of possibilities unlike your run-of-the-mill cops, and the Succubus making herself to be a victim to make her target man arrested is far from impossible. Again, the point of the conversation is the difficulty of proving it, not accusing the majority of Succubus involved for being the bad guy (or bad person, in this case). Also, during his conversation with Sakie, Ugaki already mentioned for a fact that there are irresponsible Succubi running around out there. Furthermore, he mentioned that well-behaved Succubi like Sakie is the minority. You might want to consider that too.

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

In fact, unless it can be proved that the man had no physical contact with the succubus before molesting her, he can't be held responsible for his actions, whatever her intent, and won't get convicted, making the whole frame-up idea implausible, if all the succubi are known to police.

That’s what police investigation is for. There can be cases where the Succubus already known the man but really have never socially interacted with the man directly (eg. a female secret admirer, stalker, etc) but then got pissed off at the man for one reason or another (eg. jealousy, etc) and she decided to frame the man because of it. There are so many possibilities, and it’s a detective’s job to see and analyze cases from all angles possible, hence Ugaki’s assessment.

In short: your point about the Succubus-framing cases being impossible does not hold water given the facts that Ugaki has presented and logic behind it.

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

Though it has occurred to me that a Succubi could probably touch a man from behind, and increase the chance of him molesting another woman, yet another scenario that would've been more convincing.

The example that Ugaki presented is the one where the Succubus is the molested party and the conversation took off from that premise. You can't blame the episode for not talking about a case that probably has never happened in-story (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). In fact, do the Succubi in this universe confirmed to have the ability to direct their man-victims to attack other women?

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

I found the detective's conversation with Sakie rather chauvinistic as well, with comments like 'not liking to see a woman living on her own'. He's absolutely a crusty old war horse from a pre-feminism generation, but certainly not a bad person.

It's a dangerous world we're living in and I assume Demi-chan's world is more or less the same. Considering a number of cases of home invasion, robbery, rape or combinations of them out there, a young and beautiful woman living alone in an outskirt house is a normal cause of concern. Heck, if Sakie was my daughter, I would voice the same concern as Ugaki. There is this old chivalric value where it's said that we, as men, should protect women when necessary and I don't think it's a bad value at all which is what Ugaki follows apparently. Not to mention that Sakie herself is evidently wanting a man in her life. She even thanked Ugaki for his concerns and said that he's a better father than her real father for it.

[Stark700]

Episode 8:

Ah, this looks like a study based episode with the demi humans.

Also really interesting to see Satou during her past. She was such a badass during her school years! I thought this episode was a good way for the main characters to bond a bit while studying and also talk about their teacher.

Ha, Hikari actually put on her cape to fit more with her vampire character. Funny.

[blakstealth]

Whoa, Yuki has a real funny side we haven't seen until now! I thought she was kinda boring now, but I'm glad she's got her own quirks.

And yeah, logically speaking....Satou sensei would taste the best. Yes, indeed.

[HandofFate]

thought Yuki was the most boring, so its nice to know she's a bit of a closet pervert and likes dirty jokes

[Random Wanderer]

Man, high-school Sakie was awesome.

"It's hard. It's thick. The hair would get stuck in my teeth."
"Don't ever say that in public!"

Definitely glad to see that Yuki has loosened up a bit. Unless they come from untranslated chapters, the bits with her and manga-reading are anime-original, but they don't feel too out of place... I don't think.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Definitely glad to see that Yuki has loosened up a bit. Unless they come from untranslated chapters, the bits with her and manga-reading are anime-original, but they don't feel too out of place... I don't think.

Yep, it's from an untranslated chapter

[Flower]

In many ways it makes total sense for Satou to train in judo ... even if she were trying to be an upright citizen and all accidents still happen - people bump into her or what not, and some may react ... well, you get what I mean. And the poor guy! Judo holds (and martial arts in general) plus succubus effect could actually be ... a pretty dangerous combination!

It is also soooooo nice to see Yuuki blossoming and also getting character devlopment - and to see others responding to that here in the forums! (She has been my favorite among the demis from the get go, you see.) She really is an endearing and bright young lady. ^^

And speaking of being bright, its kinda amazing to see how intelligent Machi is! She really is an extremely gentle person, I think, and her willingness to help out Hikari and Yuuki was very much like her. More than that, she seems to be a pretty good teacher too.

We already knew Himari was quite sharp and studious, of course, but it is interesting (but not very surprising, perhaps) that Hikari seems to not have availed herself to Himari's help before now; I could see there also being a combination of things like Himari sternly telling Hikari to try harder and figure things out if she felt she just wanted Himari to "do it for her" somehow or Hikari not really being interested to really try ... not really having a strong enough "reason". For some people when there is suddenly a real "reason" that clicks into place then the willingness to tackle and work through tedious or difficult things becomes far easier.

[sparhawk1610]

Ohh Sensei, you are so blind! Sakie is so cute!
Also, as ppl before me say, it was really nice to see Yuki loosened up.
But the best part was a Hikari taste contest