2007-06-24, 22:18 | Link #81 | |
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Join Date: May 2004
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The animation isn't really the sword moving to the left hand but rather right hand -> keep to center animation, and center -> extend to left hand animation. Probably mirroring still. |
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2007-06-30, 02:25 | Link #82 |
Mr. Prince
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Age: 41
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I'm on Velvets quest right now and she sucks soooo much. It's especially bad coming off of Oswald's strory because he's the strongest.
My longest playtime for a character so far is Gwendolyn at 8 hours and 50 minutes and my shortest is Oswalds at 4 hours. |
2007-07-01, 20:30 | Link #85 | |
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 38
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It's really the lag that gets annoying. Any tips for what happens when the random armor/swords start dropping down? I've been hit by one of those things four times due to the lag, and at ~33 damage each time that starts to hurt. I've found that you can clear all of the debris pretty well by using Velvet's charge shot... but you have to time it carefully, or you'll likely catch a fireball from Beldor. Terrible, terrible. I initially started out going after Belial, but it seems that Beldor can heal him. In theory it'd be possible to keep Beldor away, but you'd really need to stay on Belial pretty hard. I figure it's better to just go after Beldor first, but the random armor rain really gets annoying.
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2007-07-01, 20:49 | Link #86 |
Flowing
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Between Heaven and Earth
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I beat them,but it took forever, so then I tallied on this piece of paper how many times I lost,I even lost to them in easy mode,and for some reason,it looks like velvet is stronger than some characters in the beginning,y'know what I mean?
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2007-07-03, 10:41 | Link #87 |
Bearly Legal
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Velvet is actually a lot easier for me compare to character like Oswald.
She got long reach especially with her final combo move so use that to your advantage. She is also one of the most mobile character with her chain swing, while you are swinging, you are also invincible so make full use of that in boss fights. By now you should have memorized the monsters' attack pattern so time you combo since she is also slow in executing her move and be prepare to break early. Might be me but i do find her cyclone a lot more powerful than the rest, might be because i m powering her psypher quite exclusively. It's easy to swing out, cyclone and clean up the survivors with her.
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2007-07-05, 22:49 | Link #88 |
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 38
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True, the cyclone + charged chain is pretty good. I ended up taking out Belial before Beldor. Once Belial had low health, he seemed to do less armor rain and more lunging and trying to get you in his mouth. Pretty easily avoided.
I've finished with Velvet, but now I have a question: Spoiler for After Velvet...:
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2007-07-06, 18:18 | Link #90 |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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In terms of what characters are the best, it partially depends on playing style. However, if I were to rank the characters in terms of ease of use (from easiest to hardest), I'd probably rank them:
1) Gwendolyn 2) Oswald 3) Cornelius 4) Velvet 5) Mercedes Mercedes is by far the hardest because she is the most different. She is a natural air born fighter, but that drift when you want her to stop takes time to get used to. She also has to land to reload, and her best attack is at point blank range despite being a predominantly ranged fighter (this is her best because it pierces, then homes back on the target for double damage). Velvet is next due to the fact that she has issues going toe to toe with pretty much anything. Her most effective non-magic attack is actually in the air due to the huge lag on her last hit of her ground chain (both the circle swing or her forward chain). Her charge chain is cool, but uses a lot of POW. Cornelius would be easier than Oswald if he didn't move so fast when executing his aerial down attack (sword spin). It's essential to use this though, because it is hard for stuff to penetrate and allows him to gain height he couldn't normally achieve (especially useful against Belial to get behind him). The only difficulty with Oswald is managing his transformation so that you don't dizzy yourself. He'd be as easy as Gwendolyn if her flight didn't make it so easy to get breathing room. As the first character, Gwen is just really easy to use, and there aren't a lot of tricky things you need to learn to make good use of her.
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2007-07-06, 18:23 | Link #91 |
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 38
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Mercedes took the most getting used to, but I don't think she's the hardest to use. Isn't the the second most powerful character, too? The real challenge is just in timing the reloads. Also, the homing doesn't have to be fired at point blank in order to hit twice (although I'd imagine that it greatly increases the chances of that happening).
Velvet is the overall weakest. It takes time to get used to the distance she requires to fight properly. Similarly, Oswald requires a lot of getting used to, because his final strikes are generally annoying and move your position. Shadow form is only really useful with Unlimited Power potions, and even then, you need to watch the gauge. I don't really know that any one character was harder to use overall than others. It's always a matter of getting used to their specific nuances and all. I will say that Gwendolyn, while being very straight-forward, feels much less responsive than the other characters when moving around (Cornelius seems to be most responsive). Just my opinion, though; once you get used to any character, you're set.
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2007-07-07, 18:03 | Link #92 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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The thing with Gwen is that she is very simple and straightforward. You do damage by hack and slash, and that's simple to understand, simple to execute. Her moveset is simple, and rarely repositions you. As far as the controls go, they could be a bit tighter and more responsive in general. I'm used to 2D fighters, so it just seems a bit laggier than what I'm used to. My list isn't really who is best, since I don't think that Gwen is, probably Oswald due to his damage and high HP.
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2007-07-24, 22:27 | Link #94 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Well i finally got around to buying and playing Odin sphere, and god damn is it a beautiful game. I'm in the middle of Mercedes' story right now. So far there is only one slight dissappointment. The way the game is structured, you have the same setting but 5 different stories, kinda like 5 alternate realities. Events that occur in one storyline do not occur in others. It's a bit of a disappointment because when i started playing and noticed the story timeline thing they got (where you can replay cutscenes) i thought it was going to be ONE story that was to be told from 5 different point's of view. I always found that concept to be more interesting. You hear about many events going on but it's not until you play the other points of view do you see those events, and it's only after playing all 5 characters do you see the FULL story of the game and have all the questions answered (they kinda do that, since certain events always happen, such as Hindel's fate, but still, overall, they are 5 alternate storylines instead of poits of view)
Still that's more of a pet peeve for me, overall the game is great. Love the art, love the music (can't wait for OST... anyone have an idea if that's coming out), and i like the gameplay. |
2007-08-03, 16:19 | Link #96 |
Falling for Ginsama ^3^
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Maids>> I think the fourth to last one is a repeat ^^;
Nice finds as always. That first one is just Gold anyways Im stuck in the final chapter of Velvets story, I know I will eventually beat it but its just so annoying cuz of those guys with the axe don't flinch to most of velvets attacks. the only thing they even flinch at is the chain shot. and I at the part where its just enemy after enemy, the highest amount of stars level. T,T and I only have a few items to deal with huge amounts of enemies. =/
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2007-08-04, 20:08 | Link #97 | |
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 38
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You fight Hindel X number of times not because it's an alteranate reality, but because Hindel is one angry dragon and likes to get a beat-down. Same for the Queen of the Netherworld, etc. Beating those bosses usually doesn't kill them - if they're killed, you won't be fighting them with another character unless you're fighting them in the timeline before they're killed. I think the fact that there are seemingly random gaps in the sequence of events makes it a bit confusing, to realize that everything is actually taking place along the same timeline.
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2007-08-09, 04:42 | Link #98 |
Aspiring but lazy
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: The Internet
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@Maids!:
1st pic, 2nd row is actually Lujei from Grim Grimoire. ^^; Otherwise, GREAT! I'd rep you for this (and a plethora of other things as well) but I never get around to spreading rep much. xD After playing as Mercedes, playing Oswald can be such a pain. >.> I miss Mercedes's safety. Oswald's final hits can be a real pain. *does a 4th hit by mistake on epilogue boss* OH SHI-!! *dies* Reloads for Mercedes aren't really a problem. Phozon release and then draw and you're all set. Also I find her normal shots more powerful than her charged shot, since those can deal 300 per hit and spammable! IIRC, she can take about 1/3rd HP from a single clip of ammo. Of course, I'm always at lowest possible health and wearing Adversity Ring. xD |
2007-08-09, 14:49 | Link #99 | ||
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Another thing was misreading the course of events, such as thinking event A occured before event C but it was actually vice-a-versa; i think i messed up tracking how that ring was being passed around for one thing. Another big thing was that when i made that post, it was midway through Mercede's, after Oswald "died", but before it was revealed to still be alive; not to mention i had thought Mercedes killed the dragon Belial, not just KO'd (since made that post right before the fight aginast Beldor, where i realized that Belial was still alive) So ya, i'm starting to see everything fall into place as it should and likeing it all the more Quote:
I think the games later boss are getting easier and easier for me... i think it's because my leveling is getting more and more efficent... making good use of hoarding and the Pooka kitchen, i can gain serious HP levels with very little need of phozons (to grow seeds); and the less phozons i waste on seeds the more i use to bring up my phozon level, which adds to attack power and makes bosses easier. |
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2007-08-09, 18:30 | Link #100 | |
Aspiring but lazy
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: The Internet
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And the boss patterns are quite easy to read now after fighting them oh so many times. About the only boss I still loathe would be Belial, ugh. EDIT: Okay. Before when I was first playing the game, I thought that the 4th hit would become a crit by timing the button presses. Before I set out on figuring out the timing, I first checked gamefaqs. I read that it was a chance. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm761292 So then, could someone tell me if this is real or hacked? That Gwen play had crits for ALL 4th hits, regardless of air.4th hit ot ground.4th hit. o.o Last edited by celcius; 2007-08-09 at 19:17. |
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