Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Myssa Rei]

Spoiler for This Episode:

... That was probably one of the oddest -- and most sudden -- marriage proposals I've ever seen. Who would have thought that Tomoya trying to dodge the subject of his father would lead to that.

[Ottocycle]

He wasn't trying to dodge the topic I thought. He was just pissed off and resigned over all else. That lead to him finally recognising that he needed Nagisa to get through life, and hence he raised the proposal to keep her alongside him forever.

That was one FAST Yoshino arc though.

[Yushi]

Wow....this episode was epic....

Spoiler for Ep spoilers:

That was ....actually one of the most touching marriage proposals I've ever seen in anime T_T They didn't need a mushy candle night dinner followed by a fancy ring.... All it took was the realization that they needed EACH OTHER .... and that was more than enough. There was no blubbering tears of happiness or anything like that, instead, it was just a quiet and peaceful "yes". T_T Their relationship is just so great. They don't need those frequent high or lows, they are beyond that. They are a couple that can truely last T_T

Regarding Tomoya's father...I was kinda hoping that after Tomoya rushed out, Nagisa would talk to him or something and Tomoya's father would reveal what he truely feels. Oh well XD

[Beo]

Called a reflection point, a point in life were a direction is set and to move forward. Maybe an obtuse term for most people but you will figure it out someday.

[Proto]

A little, yet eventful episode. Kudos on making me cry. Twice.

[Haru~]

Damn. it. This episode really made choked up.
Interesting points.

Spoiler for To be safe~:

~Another Akio quiz. Barba~what?
~Tomoya knows how to dodge an interrogation by commenting what he wants. I want Nagisa wear the swimsuit, too. ^_^
~Is it just me? Is Tomoya finally got a promotion or something? (Correct me I can't quite understand it)
~"The Rise and Fall of a Rock Star" - This proves life is just a circle. Cycle.
~What would you feel if one related to you is caught by the police? And made you lost the chance of taking a big opportunity. Feelings that will make you bleed. Specifically, in your fists.
~And finally, a marriage proposal. You can do it anytime, anywhere. The important thing is the one you are going to propose. Enough to feel she's the one you want to be with "FOREVER".

I love Tomoya X Nagisa. It made me realize "Love is pure". ~_~
T_T

[MeoTwister5]

Must... watch... subs... not... out... soul... dying...

[cbatty]

Subs are out...

[SidVicious]

Spoiler for Tomoya:

He will marry my Nagisa.

[Sheba]

It was either that way or beating around the bush for two more episodes

[RandomFlameStrike]

Well that was one heck of an episode! It was great and had I a lot of good points. Yoshino's backstory felt a little rushed, but there was tons of focus on Tomoya. You could really see how the events of his life changed his personality, as well as some things that he couldn't get over.

As for downsides, it's mostly just me complaining about the game. The biggest issue would be them changing the fact Tomoya and Nagisa should already be living togheter, and the lack of inmate actions between them. If I recall, they haven't kissed yet in the anime? T.T Well it's not like the emotional love between them is any less though so I'm cool. Another thing that worries me is how fast they are going. It seems like they skipped a bit of material like the first time Tomoya and Nagisa went to meet Tomoya's dad. A few details were changed to, like how Tomoya was the one who asked Nagisa to marry him, but I believe it was the other way around. They reaffrimed their love for eachother and decided to tie the knot XD.

[musume_no_hoshi]

Best proposal scene I ever seen. Nagisa's simple 'hai' just make things even more tear jerking.

It's still interesting there's no intimidate scenes through out the whole series, except that Tomoyo Special Episode

[LoweGear]

Thoughts on the last couple of minutes

Spoiler for Thoughts:

The lead in may have been unexpected, and the minutes prior to that were filled with much anger, despair and hatred on Tomoya's part, and muted anxiety on Nagisa's part...

But somehow, that made the sudden marriage proposal that came so... beautiful.

This was not a proposal that came when the couple were lovey-dovey with each other, having their heads up in the clouds high with the feeling of love. This was a proposal made during a very intense moment, when Nagisa saw Tomoya at possibly his worst yet, with his near self-destructive behavior that could've possibly hurt her as well.

And yet when he did pop the question, she replied so simply. That she could still answer "yes" so simply yet sincerely and honestly really did it for me. That even during the worst of it, she could accept Tomoya like that as if of course.

It's a devotion so unconditional that it boggles the mind. And yet that is what makes it incredibly beautiful: because it shows that they really will, and can stick through the bad, the thin, and the sickness.

[MeoTwister5]

Just finished watching.

I'm almost absolutely sure the highly compressed Yoshino arc in all 10 minutes of it was adapted to the letter, heck his crying scene was practically lifted from the game. The compression lessened the impact of his tale a bit, of course Yoshino's story was really short to begin with anyway.

I also sort of noticed how Tomoya was more open to conversation in the park when Nagisa pointed it out. Stark contrast to the first episode where he entered his classroom with an apathetic face and spoke to no one.

And when Nagisa said the great thing about the town was meeting Tomoya... dammit I wish I knew the English equivalent to the Filipino term kinikilig.

The title of the next episode is graduation... which means only one thing: Grab a few kleenex tissues and maybe your high school yearbook. Take note of the baseball and bat, looks like it's the legendary fight.

As for the end of the episode... man... it doesn't really hit home until you see Nagisa crying when she frantically tries to restrain Tomoya from further injuring his own body. And then he pops the question.

Then he asks her if she'll always be with him, forever. God lord... I'll post more when I'm okay.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go cry womanly man tears in the john.

[Proto]

A few details were changed to, like how Tomoya was the one who asked Nagisa to marry him, but I believe it was the other way around.

Short answer: They didn't change it.

BTW for more anime-game comparisons I think the spoiler or game thread would be a better place.

[Lyrical Flandre]

Although Tomoya meets his father and gets angry because he committed a serious crime,
he smiles a bit as usual.
I guess, no matter what is said to him or no matter how other people treat him,
he does nothing but show the same smile. I feel pity for him.　

[Kristen]

I really liked this episode all around. I'm glad that they kept Yoshino's arc and showed how vital he is to the story. Though, gosh, he looks EXACTLY like Tomoya as a high schooler.

Though, I kind of wish they didn't show Okazaki's father behind the box. In the game, it was just the holes to talk through, and it made him into someone metaphorically who had lost all existence in Tomoya's mind, but was still there. Then again, that was me probably overthinking it, probably Key just not wanting to make a CG for him. XD

I am REALLY hoping they change the OP/ED after the break, since people like Kotomi and Tomoyo really are not involved.

[kk2extreme]

i wish that i have a wife like nagisa

[Nerroth]

Originally Posted by SidVicious

Spoiler for Tomoya:

He will marry my Nagisa.

Meh, it could be worse...

Spoiler for Tomoya:

...he could be marrying Tomoyo-dono. Well, in this timeline, anyway.