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Old 2009-09-30, 23:56   Link #61
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for your Teresa location speculation, if what Cynthia said is not a new poilcy, then the top 3 digits were traditionally deployed in the corners of the continents. That would narrow down Teresa's location to either the West or the South.


Either your wrong or what I read was mistranslated. In what I read (in the spoiler below) Cynthia talks about the central land then says the top 3 are spread out in that land... not spread out over the whole continent. So the Top 3 are in the central land so they can get to the any "hotspot" on the island quickly.

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amen to that! ^^ bring back the old galatea dammit!
Sweet finally someone else sees the light!




Ryus - I'm all for character development and all but it's like she completely changed to a different person. For some reason I think Teresa would of still been pretty badass even if she became close to humans.


I like those type of characters... like Alphard from Canaan. Now if she became goody goody I would just ughhhh
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Now if she became goody goody I would just ughhhh
The way she talked when the Ghosts fought Agatha....she's still got some sarcasm, spunk or whatever you call it. The "old" Galatea isn't completely gone.

Even when she fought Miata and said stuff like "If I get this sword into you, you'll be able to sleep softly even on the softest bed".
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Now you see, Gangsta said the same thing. If both of you say that, I guess I have to believe you.

Funny though, I could have sworn that the words were never 100% necessary - I strangely think that we have had spoilers that ended up true, that didn't have them.
Well, whatever.
While I've been here, the real spoiler has always had the magic words at the end, which means that while you been here it has been that way too. I have no way of knowing before then. But what I think is more likely to happen is that the fake spoiler writers will catch on to the magic words and use them eventually.


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Ughh, honestly? you liked her like that?

At least now, she's a likable person. Back then, I wanted her to just shut up; she was so annoying and stuck-up, like the fillers now.
What'cha mean? you want Galatea to shut it these days too. Actually, I always saw Galatea as a nice person. The plain simple truth is that most Claymores are Arrogant in some form. I mean you can look at the type of person Teresa was before she met Clare. Irene has a bit of arrogance in her personality but she is a nice person. Helen and Deneve. Obviously Ophelia. I think it is pretty much norm with a few exceptions like Jean.

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On Galatea's return...although I would like her to return back to fighting mode...I think she will prefer her life as a nun looking after childeren and protecting the city of rabon from youma...I don't see her joining the ghosts into the battle front with the organization or the destroyer for that matter...she'll most likly act as a stationary subject protecting the town and people within...till yagi sensei decides to kill her...
You're partially right. Remember Galatea-sama did ask Miria if there was any way that she could help and then was disappointed at the answer. If Miria would let Galatea do something, then Galatea will, and then after it is all done return to the children.
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While I've been here, the real spoiler has always had the magic words at the end, which means that while you been here it has been that way too. I have no way of knowing before then. But what I think is more likely to happen is that the fake spoiler writers will catch on to the magic words and use them eventually.
Bingo

It stinks, but those words will probably lose their dependency overtime.

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What'cha mean? you want Galatea to shut it these days too. Actually, I always saw Galatea as a nice person. The plain simple truth is that most Claymores are Arrogant in some form. I mean you can look at the type of person Teresa was before she met Clare. Irene has a bit of arrogance in her personality but she is a nice person. Helen and Deneve. Obviously Ophelia. I think it is pretty much norm with a few exceptions like Jean.
I want Galatea to shut what?

Arrogance wasn't just a thing she had, it was basically all she had, their's a difference. I don't care if she has some spunk like the others, but she was as vain as the fillers now.

Happy to see that she's toned it down, is all. Like I said, her attitude now I would say is how she's always wanted to be.
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I think you might have just misread Galatea from the start. She might joke a bit and have a sarcastic streak, but she has always been a good person. At the end of the witches maw, Galatea could've easily killed both Clare and Jean and returned Clare's body to the org if she wanted to.

where is Cyclone to defend the Lady's honor and smite thee.
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I think you might have just misread Galatea from the start. She might joke a bit and have a sarcastic streak, but she has always been a good person. At the end of the witches maw, Galatea could've easily killed both Clare and Jean and returned Clare's body to the org if she wanted to.

where is Cyclone to defend the Lady's honor and smite thee.
Yeah, I guess I forgot that part, maybe I'm stretching the vanity part, though it's still definitely her biggest personality trait, or was anyway. Helen is brash, but Galatea was more or less in love with herself.

Ugh, how much longer...
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Sweet finally someone else sees the light!




Ryus - I'm all for character development and all but it's like she completely changed to a different person. For some reason I think Teresa would of still been pretty badass even if she became close to humans.


I like those type of characters... like Alphard from Canaan. Now if she became goody goody I would just ughhhh
First off Teresa hadn't fully accepted humans yet... only Clare. You see she had no reason like humans and a reason to hate them that is until the village cheered for her after saving that kid... free of charge. Teresa would have mellowed a bit more after accepting them. Teresa's attitude towards humans was deminstrated many time for example didn't seem to have a problem in ripping off villages, scaring them, flinging blood at them, opening a door with a sword, or kicking a child. All this was very likely due to her being sold to the org which would give most a reason to hate all humans or at the very least not trust them... hence Orsay's comment once she killed the bandits.
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Galatea still is badass... she's just repressing it due to nun training. In short she's not witty attitude badass but Pure Good Badass... her "badassness" just developed with her character but it's still there very clearly. See the spoiler for argument.

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Also don't judge Galatea too much based on the Agatha fight, 90% of it was Agatha, Mitia, & Clarice anyways... They hogged most of the arc (hell it's first chapter is called the Child Warrior for a reason , well in the VIZ version it is... forget in the direct translation).

As for after the fight just ask yourself why would she be badass to the Ghosts?
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I think you might have just misread Galatea from the start. She might joke a bit and have a sarcastic streak, but she has always been a good person. At the end of the witches maw, Galatea could've easily killed both Clare and Jean and returned Clare's body to the org if she wanted to.

where is Cyclone to defend the Lady's honor and smite thee.
Agreed! She was always a good person which is why I like her characters development.
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Yeah, I guess I forgot that part, maybe I'm stretching the vanity part, though it's still definitely her biggest personality trait, or was anyway. Helen is brash, but Galatea was more or less in love with herself.

Ugh, how much longer...
Which I think is the Norm, especially if you are a single digit. Look at Teresa's Time: Teresa, Irene, Sophia, Noel. All of those could be considered Arrogant in their own way, with Priscilla being different in that she is self righteous.

I see Claymores as Girls who have all sorts of personality and psychological problems, considering how the org brings them up. If Galatea was always special, maybe the org let her know it.
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Ryus, I'm gonna to let you finish. I'm sorry, but old Galatea is the best Galatea of all time!

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So, for the record I'm not a Galatea "fanboy" but the way her character has developed is incredible IMHO. However, your right she is less "badass" but I find she's still amazing.
After all the nice (and very accurate) you things you said about her, how do you resist being a fanboy? Give in to the dark side - you know you want to.

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till yagi sensei decides to kill her...
Wash your mouth out with battery acid.

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The way she talked when the Ghosts fought Agatha....she's still got some sarcasm, spunk or whatever you call it. The "old" Galatea isn't completely gone.

Even when she fought Miata and said stuff like "If I get this sword into you, you'll be able to sleep softly even on the softest bed".
Oh good greif! No No No.
The line is "If you put one of these in it[A BED!], you can sleep even a soft comfortable bed." (this is from memory - but I spent long enough on this quote way back when to remember it accurately).

Galatea-sama, being a goddess and all, had simply figured out and was sharing the solution to the Claymore sleeping difficulties that Teresa introduced us to. i.e. That Claymores have trouble sleeping in soft beds and prefer to stick their sword into the ground and sleep sitting up! She trash talked no one but Duff, and that was so classy and witty, that who could not love that?

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where is Cyclone to defend the Lady's honor and smite thee.
I take a few hours off to play video games, and we have so many besmirchers of the faith... An acolytes job is never done I suppose...
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Either your wrong or what I read was mistranslated. In what I read (in the spoiler below) Cynthia talks about the central land then says the top 3 are spread out in that land... not spread out over the whole continent. So the Top 3 are in the central land so they can get to the any "hotspot" on the island quickly.

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Quite possible I am mis-reading somehow, but:

The way I read it is not that they are assigned to a hotspot, but able to cope with a hotspot anywhere. It's a sublte difference perhaps, but it still doesn't tell us where they are assigned. They are assigned somewhere though - Rubel says that Alicia and Beth have assigned locations at some point (and that they're almost never there). This is what I said. I never denied the top were mobile units or anything.

I have 3 or 4 different english scanlations of that chapters, and none seem to agree exactly on the translation either though.
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Oh good greif! No No No.
The line is "If you put one of these in it[A BED!], you can sleep even a soft comfortable bed." (this is from memory - but I spent long enough on this quote way back when to remember it accurately).

Galatea-sama, being a goddess and all, had simply figured out and was sharing the solution to the Claymore sleeping difficulties that Teresa introduced us to. i.e. That Claymores have trouble sleeping in soft beds and prefer to stick their sword into the ground and sleep sitting up! She trash talked no one but Duff, and that was so classy and witty, that who could not love that?


Learn something new every day. If that's true... ... It's an awesome Claymore "in" joke.

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Funny! I always thought the main land was to the Southeast (well East to South, I should say). My reasoning is simpler then yours... Claymore just has too many parallels to ancient England and not Japan.

In short the island is full of Caucasians and it in a + shape (plus the way it is divided by the general public, get into later) which reminds me of England. Look in the spoiler below and you'll see a wall the Romans built in ancient England and if you don't include the land north of the wall... well, England looks like a +, just like the island Claymore takes place upon.

Spoiler for England south of the wall.:


As you can see by the comparison they are very close!

Since the island shape looks so close to the part of England that Rome conqured I always just put the mainland in my mind to the southeast but father away, since if I follow the parallel of the island being England then rest of Europe is to the east and south of England. Plus just the general idea of the mainland being at the same latitude as the northern lands isn't an idea I like in general, since I imaging Yagi picking a different geography to draw to show the readers that we're now in a different land. I imagine the main land being as big as the "Old World" here.

I always saw the island being broken into 47 regions is for Japanese readers... so they can have some feeling of "home" in a European story. Plus 47 is cooler then an even number like 50, rounded numbers are used too much.

Well, as you can see my reasoning for the direction of the mainland is rather simple but I like it. Oh, and before I forget there is a parallel of Rome controlling a small island like England and the Organization doing the same with the island. In fact if you want to you could even draw another parallel with Rome fighting Huns and the Org fighting the Dragon's kin.

Ok now for how the general public see the land. Here is a map of how the regions England was didvided into. They are Northumbria (the parallel of the northern lands of Alfonse), East Anglia (The parallel of the eastern lands of Sutare (manga) / Sutafu (anime)), Wessex (the parallel of the southern lands of Mucha), Wales (the parallel of the western lands of luatrec), and Mercia (the parallel of the central lands of Toulouse or Robana (I forget what it is too )).

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Now for another funny parallel England is now 46 counties but in it has 48 ceremonial counties... an average of 47.

Also the civilization in Claymore is clearly closer to England than Japan. So I always imagine ancient England in my mind when reading Claymore, never Japan.

Well, that's my thoughts on the matter but in the long run as long as the main land is East, South, or West it doesn't really matter to the story, as long as it's not due North since no two superpowers could come into existence in a frozen wasteland. There could be no farms to support the population requirements needed for a civilization to develop. Yagi will tell use the mainlands direction eventually.
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nice post..... never even realize the closeness-similarity to england (sorry i mean U.K., any scotish or irish forgive me, i'm american and am used to "england" for the name of the country)

though, there's nothing that ACTUALLY says it is connected to U.K. It probably very well is based on the U.K. as you done a terrific job showing me/us, but that doesn't mean it is the U.K. It doesn't mean that the continent has to be south east of the island.

and when i said east, i meant in general east of the island. the continent could be north-east, (directly) east, south-east, or any of the 180 degrees from north and south of the island towards the east, for that matter.

you don't need to explain european history to me, i'm an american, and we are crammed with "europe" history in our education system, and I personally love european (especially U.K.'s) medieval-dark age history, and i am a "history-buff"-well i like history anyways, which is why i love claymore so much, hehe. *grins*
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this isn't a history site for the dark-age medieval U.K. and europe ... you don't want to get me started.....

back than, the U.K. was known as britain or england

back than, europe was known as britany (= greater "britain" = europe continent)

and i believe.... (any european feel free to correct me if i got any of this wrong)

west was wales. welsh ethnicity.

north was scotish, irish, worgs (natives of the island). later vikings would conquer-control it. hadrian (a roman) built his wall protecting the "wild-barbaric" north from the "civilized" roman controlled south.

east was saxony. controlled-conquered by the saxons which came from "germany" (germanic tribes area, the "old" roman empire was still in existence, and "germany" wasn't christened yet by charlagmane and wasn't part of the holy roman empire yet. think Gladiator movie)

south was roman controlled (i'm not sure about this, were the celts, half natives half romans? or is this completely wrong?)

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Old 2009-10-01, 02:46   Link #76
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Ryus, I'm gonna to let you finish. I'm sorry, but old Galatea is the best Galatea of all time!

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No, I said my two cents and you said yours. Lets leave it at that.

I'm sure you'll have others driving you nuts when they read your comments in the next few days. Hopefully they don't drive you too crazy. I only resonded since I'm a big fan of character development in Claymore... I'm not a major "fanboy" of any one. My 3 favorite characters are 1) Clare 2) Teresa 3)Raphaela, still haven't figured out who my #4 on are... too many good choices.

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nice post..... never even realize the closeness-similarity to england (sorry i mean U.K., any scotish or irish forgive me, i'm american and am used to "england" for the name of the country)

though, there's nothing that ACTUALLY says it is connected to U.K. It probably very well is based on the U.K. as you done a terrific job showing me/us, but that doesn't mean it is the U.K. It doesn't mean that the continent has to be south east of the island.

and when i said east, i meant in general east of the island. the continent could be north-east, (directly) east, south-east, or any of the 180 degrees from north and south of the island towards the east, for that matter.

you don't need to explain european history to me, i'm an american, and we are crammed with "europe" history in our education system, and I personally love european (especially U.K.'s) medieval-dark age history, and i am a "history-buff"-well i like history anyways, which is why i love claymore so much, hehe. *grins*
I'm American too. No need to treat me like a bloody red coat.

As I said in my previous post the true direction of the mainland doesn't really matter but I just choose to place it to the east to south of the island in my mind until Yagi reveals it's true location.

Oh, and I didn't know a lot of that before I read Claymore either. I went out an researched it myself, no one help me so the post is entirely my own idea. Part of the research I did was when I first started to read Claymore and the rest I did when we had a discussion here to reasonably determine to islands population (a rather fun week, too bad I can't recall where that discussion is located).

I suspect the island is a mixture of England and Japan though. Since there are some similarities to Japan too but not as many that I spotted. Then again I not as good with the history of Japan as English history.

EDIT: In short I just felt like sharing my thoughts on the direction of the mainland... I was in no way saying I right, your wrong/stupid, or that it even matters. I still won't except due north for the location of the mainland, since any ship would crash into iceburgs long before getting to any "mainland" especially based on the northern region being eternally locked in Ice.

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well, you coulda been asian (in asia) for all i knew... or african (in africa)... or australian (in australia) ... or south american (in south america)... or ..... a penguin (in antarctica) :P

(err, course it would help if i looked at your profile stuff.. lol.. jsut noticed D.C. under your name, i presume that means washington D.C. ?)
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ryus:

about your stuff about galatea, thanks ! i never realized that side of her, always saw her as being kind-soft-hearted (saving-not killing claymores like clare, caring about other claymores, helping the children as a nun, and being a rebel against the organization)

but i wanted to say one thing about the manga pages you used:

all of that, that galatea did, could have been an elaborate plan to distract agatha (galatea is the "God Eye" after all and even more powerful in her yoki now that she is blind), in order to help and enabling clare to get into position to kill agatha. and maybe this was out of kindness as well. but you certainly showed she's got a bit of teresa's "bravido" (can't spell) in her too.
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the continent is NOT due north. never said it was. it could be 1 degree off from due north, but that be a very odd angle to sail from the continent from, lol.

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well, you coulda been asian (in asia) for all i knew... or african (in africa)... or australian (in australia) ... or south american (in south america)... or ..... a penguin (in antarctica) :P
My location is DC... as in Washington DC. Speaking of which it 4am here, I need to go to bed. I'm supposed to be up early.

I never can sleep at this time of the month I'm too impatient for the next chapter. Like a kid on Christmas Eve.

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This is intresting spoiler, but I want read a new spoilers and new arguments More, more information

But I do not understand how I can use personal avatar? My imageshack picture (avatar) can not upload to this forum
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Spoiler for second spoiler:

What's wrong with spoilers this month? Once translated, they still look like Ostrogothic.

Another fake, I guess. It mentions Raki but not Priscilla, Yuma and not Cynthia, Clare and it forgets about Helen and Deneve.
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