2014-01-27, 05:36 | Link #21 |
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Windows 7 is not good, it's essentially just "kind of not crap." I still miss a ton of the functionality they took out just for the sake of having stupid shit like "oh you can wigle windows at side of screen" in demos (bitch you could ctrl+click and tile infinity windows before! both horizontally and vertically).
Unless MS fired the designers for window 8 (unlikely!) expect to see at best a "kind of not crap" windows 8 that's totally inferior to windows 7 still.
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2014-01-29, 12:57 | Link #22 |
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It's what has happened when Steven Sinofsky has left Microsoft, he is the one responsible for the Modern UI everywhere. Most of what has appeared in Windows 8.1 or the new update wouldn't have happened if he was still the head of Windows.
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2014-01-29, 16:08 | Link #24 |
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I don't really care I am a Linux (Fedora) user
The one Windows for all devices (Sinofsky view on Windows) has been more or less buried, and we can start to see that in 8.1 update 1 for example the right click has started to make an appearance on the start screen or that it's possible to turn off the computer directly from the start screen/more easily, something that Sinofsky was saying was not necessary. |
2014-01-30, 15:06 | Link #26 |
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Windows XP's not good. It's just better than the DOS-based Windows that consumers used before XP and Service Pack 2 made it tolerable. The Longhorn development problem and the problem with Vista upon release also gave additional time for XP to be the dominant Windows version on the market, thus increasing XP's usage penetration and adding to its staying power.
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So much wasted time adapting to the bullshit changes...
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2014-01-31, 00:02 | Link #30 |
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There are different versions of the Windows cycle meme. Some incorporate Windows 98 SE and Windows 2000 as separate versions, for example. There's apparently a hardcore group of Microsoft users who felt that Windows 2000 was rock solid and XP was for a long time a "popularized," less stable, more vulnerable version for noobs.
The history after XP is universally agreed upon, though. They screwed up Vista, they rescued the platform with 7, and then they blasted it to hell in 8 because lulz. I blame forced stack ranking. People pushed to the top of Microsoft are not you and me. They're sociopaths, corporate climbers. They kinda missed the whole "iterative development" startup tech revolution. |
2014-02-01, 14:44 | Link #32 |
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Threshold? I'm reminded of that really shitty episode of Star Trek Voyager. >.>
It feels oddly appropriate. I wish UI designers would focus more on usability. Like, if you have to spend one more click on doing something, then the UI designers are morons and should be slapped in the face with a rubber chicken.
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2014-02-01, 17:33 | Link #33 | |
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I mean just look at the recent improvements made by so called modern UI designers:
(I can go on and on... but it's already turning into giant wall of text) You know whats worse, the so called "better half" of the OS market (and I say half ironically), the linux distros of the world, have just followed suite in the crappage instead of actually just working on what they should be doing such as maybe designing file system that is actually usable with a mouse or fixing all the inconsistencies with the desktop experience (I wonder if I ever saw a single distro that could actually present and keep icons organized and compact). But I guess I shouldn't be surprised since that linux interface design isn't moving given how they can't even be bothered to keep up with simple changes such as "oh hey we're not in the 1980 anymore so keyboards (then terminals) don't have arrows on hjkl making programs that still require them completely unintuitive to newer usersm" (but who needs common sense anyway). I hate to generalize but, all modern interface design decisions as far as OSes and Websites go have been nothing but garbage in recent years.
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2014-02-01, 18:00 | Link #34 |
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Well, if any of that has taught me anything, it's that software interface design can be subjective. None of that impacts me negatively.
In fact, speaking of "super gigantic" interface elements, I dislike the recent tendency on some third-party Windows program to "save vertical space" that I see in some programs, web browsers being the worst offenders. I don't want small title bars and stuff. |
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Agreed to those points. In my opinion they should keep several UI so that we users choose the one suitable for us. My metro in Win8 was horrible and I haven't touched in Win8 for ages. UI can be a huge turn off. And metro was front page turn off for me. Anyway here's an interesting vid
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2014-02-04, 15:24 | Link #36 |
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Whats with all the whining about Windows 8? It reminds me of the "scandal" over mass effect 3 ending... and by that I mean lots of nitpicking. Yes the metro interface can be cumbersome the first time you try it but aside from that the OS is much faster, secure and efficient than windows 7.
In my personal experience it is an excellent OS for a triple monitor set up. It more reliable than other windows versions when it comes to working across multiple screens. Anyway, stop crying already if the next windows update doesn't alleviate most of the "issues" you all have I am sure windows 9 will do the trick.
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2014-02-04, 16:38 | Link #37 | |
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At work I was forced to use windows 8 and at home I have windows 7. Doing similar things (even the most mundane of regular day tasks) I would always be able to do it substantially faster on windows 7 just because the damn operating system wouldn't get in my way all the time, I wouldn't be wasting time "fixing" it and I would also not be wasting time finding alternatives that would actually work on it. Also amusingly the few times I checked windows 8 was also eating a lot more ram, again while doing the same thing; something like 2-3gigs at most and this on a machine that had less then what the windows 7 had to work with. Having seen this happen for over a year I'm pretty sure I would have warmed up to windows 8 by now if it wasn't actually a worse operating system in every way possible. Also while security is a concern if you don't go to stupid sites, download shady torrents and such and have a semi decent antivirus, while the risk isn't nonexistent, the difference in security between the two OSes is more or less irrelevant marketing. Anyway, if it's worked flawlessly for you, then great for you! Personally I've hadn't had a month where there wasn't some stupid thing related to it I had to sort out to get work done. With how much useless work it's caused I would have formatted and bouth a windows 7, if I was actually allowed to do so. I mean for crying out loud two days ago I formatted my home machine and did a fresh install, re-installing and configuring most things, including all the fiddly settings on various programs with all the plugins I need to use them efficiently. It all took less time then most windows 8 headaches took to sort out.
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it has always served me with a stable and reliable performance. What's heartbreaking is that Microsoft will no longer offer any support or updates to Windows XP as of April 8th (this also counts for Office 2003). It also sucks that they advice users to upgrade to Win 8.1 and not 7. Obviously users with enough experience will know to avoid this (unless they actually prefer 8.1 over 7), but there are still new users who are clueless on it and will upgrade to 8.1. But again, people without more than basic computer knowledge would never really care much (see below for more). Quote:
Not sure how knowledge your parents are with computers, but do you think your parents would prefer the 8.1 UI over Windows 7? If I upgraded my mum's computer to 8.1, she would probably not know how to use it and she'd let it slowly die. Quote:
Little is known about Windows 9 yet, but among many rumours, some say that Windows 8.2 will most likely be released before Windows 9". To be honest, if the pattern continues and the next OS will be good/desirable, I hope they decide to name it something other than 8.2. 8 sucked and I don't think it's great marketing to name it off of the other version. I did read somewhere that Windows 9 will be related/based of/corresponding with Windows 8.1. Whether that's true (which I doubt) or not, we'll just have to wait and see!
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And with the changes that came with 8.1 and will come with Update 1 and 9, I don't consider minor issues like not knowing how to shut down is enough of a deterrent to not upgrade from 7. It's even easier if the user only uses desktop apps, as the workflow is largely the same. |
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