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Yes, and my question was, what threat? That is, what threat did these special humans posed to the ELS that would endanger their self-preservation? The movie failed to answer that question, leaving us to guess what the ELS' perception of a human-posed threat.
Presumably the ELS could have just altered course and avoided the humans, but they did not do that, and decided to destroy them with overwhelming superiority.
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Just want to answer this little tidbit here, since I didn't quite notice it before: the
threat was the hostile feelings they detected from Descartes. He did explicitly say he was taking out all his frustrations out on them, so he was broadcasting that feeling through the Gadelaza's weapon systems (which were synchronized with his quantum brainwaves, as explained during its first sortie). It worked both ways, as whenever one of the ELS stickied to a large GN-Fang, Descartes felt the feedback through the control system. This was explained in an interview as well, IIRC.
Plus, there was the additional threat of, y'know, the Gadelaza blowing the shit out of them at the time. >.> That kinda added to the frightening experience.
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The problem is that we are filling the blanks here, and while the points made are not completely invalid, we have no way of verifying our hypothesis to their full extent.
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Well to be fair, it doesn't
have to fill in every little blank. I personally don't want a movie that holds my hand through every concept depicted. But as I mentioned before, there have been interviews that have been translated that fill in some of the blanks. They can be found elsewhere in the Gundam 00 movie threads.
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Seeing how death is a universal concept amongst sentiment beings, I do not understand as to why the ELS would have a different conception of pain & suffering from us. Especially since the movie failed to show just exactly in what ways different the ELS perceived them. If anything, the movie pretty much showed that the ELS fear and loath agony the way we do.
Then we come to this:
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While death is a universal concept, pain likely isn't--by their very nature, the ELS cannot possibly feel pain in the same sense that we do. They are not organic creatures, they are metallic. They are living metal--their biology, for lack of a more appropriate term, is completely different than that of any organic creature. So I'd be surprised if they did feel pain in the exact same manner as we do. That's the real beauty behind the ELS: they are aliens, and are as alien as they come, beyond our comprehension.
Also I'd like to point out that "Then we come to this:" you quoted me, but the text wasn't from any of my posts. =X
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Apparently the ELS are so quick at adapting and advancing existing human technology to the point where an ancient 130 year old space vessel can be altered to deter the most advanced missile technology Earth has to offer (so no, our psycho-innovators actually did not fire the first shot), but in the ELS' infinite wisdom, it cannot use the same vessel send a signal to approaching patrol ships in an attempt to communicate? It can render a trucks into a pilotless drone but somehow unable to broadcast its desire to communicate by other means? That is not very convincing.
Moreover I am quite certain the ELS sensed doubt amongst humanity when the latter debated on the course of action against them, but obviously that made no impact even though the ELS had been amongst humanity for quite some time prior to their massive invasion. I have to wonder what the ELS did all these time while on Earth ? Did they not learn anything? What was the preventing factor for them to acquire information from humanity? Yes, its great that Setsuna can combine with Deus-ex-machina to communicate with the ELS, but what was the preventing factor for the latter to learn in the first place!?
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Well, the thing is, the revived ghost ship was only just correcting its course to dodge the missiles. That in itself isn't very impressive, we already know they can fly phenomenally well in space. As for signals... well, didn't they? Mena specifically mentioned that the Jupiter Radio Waves (whatever they are) had changed, becoming eerily similar to quantum brainwaves. So perhaps they were attempting a signal communication of a sort. But the problem is, the ELS doesn't know that only a select few in humanity can receive quantum brainwaves, let alone understand them or even know what the hell quantum brainwaves are. Sensing humanity's doubt? Doubtful in itself--humanity lacked quantum brainwaves to broadcast their own feelings. Their only experiences with that were with Descartes, as while the Innovator potentials they checked out on Earth had the potential, they still weren't Innovators and likely couldn't utilize quantum brainwaves yet.
As for the ship's communication equipment? Sure, it's there, but how do they use it? Written words and the spoken language would beam nothing to the ELS--from what we know, they have only ever communicated through quantum brainwaves. We certainly don't see them talking, we don't know anything about whatever senses they have, like sight and hearing.
They just frankly didn't understand, and they were trying to in the only way they knew how.
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or even if Feldt and Anon were the same or if Feldt and Setsuna had a relationship going.
- me!
