(L) Rosario to Vampire

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

I think the time Gonzo got R+V they where in the CRISIS stage on their company, they where desperate and turned R+V into fanservice and worst yet Capu2 was mascot censored! For marketing purposes.

eehhhhh... I still say the pre production company was the one to turn it into wank fodder... they always seem to set the pace of the production either its going to be done with a budget with some thought to the manga or a wank fest on all levels.

[kenjiharima]

If that's the case how dare they do that to an awesome story!

But in any case I still have to thank GONZO for animating R+V, non the less.

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

If that's the case how dare they do that to an awesome story!

But in any case I still have to thank GONZO for animating R+V, non the less.

Gonzo is a mixed bag, I am starting to think that most of their problems are taking on ANY production brought to them....

[tyranuus]

As I said in the Capu2 thread, I watched this anime and enjoyed it, but I watched it over a short period of time and thats probably how its best viewed because then you're not sitting down and dissecting it for flaws. I also watched it more for the humour and light romance than the fan service, I actually it pretty damn funny in places.

I'd expected more to have been made of the vampire blood in season 2 of the anime but alas they seemed to avoid it. Either way, Id watch another season if it ever appeared, the concept (monsters) appeals to me, and it was a bit of a laugh. You can read my more full opinion on the show elsewhere, its not my favourite by a long shot but the interaction between Tsukune and Moka were a bit of fun with all the subversions and some of the other characters were relatively endearing

Wasn't so bothered about the fan service though, except where it helped with the humour.
That said Tsukune anime version should have just got it out the way and asked Moka to sire him in the first place, rather than having to almost die to start it off. Probably would have made his life a LOT easier.

Will read the manga most likely because I hear it retains the humour, whilst containing more plot.

[DragoZERO]

Manga >>>> Anime. Luckily this first season isn't that bad compared to the second. It's just the lost potential is frustrating.

I am planning on watch this again now that we have BD releases.

[tyranuus]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Manga >>>> Anime. Luckily this first season isn't that bad compared to the second. It's just the lost potential is frustrating.

I am planning on watch this again now that we have BD releases.

Yeah I get where you're coming from. Actually, bar a few minor changes, so far on the manga Im up to, the anime is actually fairly true to what happens in the manga bar a few minor edits, I'd certainly say its not the worst book->show I've ever seen by a long shot, and some of the things that got a little repetetive in the anime (transformation sequences) are actually there to a degree in the manga too, but then the second season did seem like it was probably further from the manga anyway as there seemed to be less overall plot development, and it avoided the blood thing almost entirely, which...well seemed a bit off, as thats a major part of vampire mythos, this series or not.

Either way, the show is a bit of a laugh and portrays itself in a way that doesnt try to make you think its anything else and thats why/what I watched the show for, so I dont really feel like I lost out or anything, and from what I hear its probably better to have watched the anime before the manga anyway, because its easier to enjoy them that way!

[tyranuus]

Hmmm, having read the majority of season 1 of the manga now (on chapter 38, I read fast), yeah the anime does miss a lot out...but then my opinion on the anime actually isnt harmed that much.
Yeah they moved some stuff around so the show would flow better as an anime, and adding in the vampiric blood stuff would have been cool, but looking at the manga vs the anime, I actually think they did a reasonable job translating it to an anime. You have to remember the seasons are quite short, so if they'd followed the manga exactly and tried to squish in all the main points, the series would have felt quite rushed (as they couldnt guarantee a second season they cant roll this into the equation unless 2 seasons are greenlit from the go), and I think quite a few of the changes made were done to accomodate this.

The vampire blood thing would have been cool, but I think they would have struggled to keep it context without feeling like it was thrown in for the sake of it or rushed, so essentially the anime is a bit like a condensed, tweaked version to suit the new medium (after all, the story really is about the unlikely relationship between Tsukune and Moka, their friends and a dose of humour).
I think really they'd need a new 26 episode series to show the gradual transition better, 13 to show the entire transition would probably have felt rushed and had to cut a lot out.
Of course, if the series recieved a remake, and a 26 episode season, then they'd probably be able to stick a lot closer to the manga without having to make too many changes to the source material.

The plus side with the manga is bar the extra stuff because of the extra length, the relationship between Moka and Tsukune is covered in far greater depth, and he doesn't come off quite as indecisive, as there were a few panels with both characters really showing how much they care about the other, and Tsukune actually does manage to say how he feels at one point heh, I haven't even got to the second manga season to see how that pans out.

Edit:
On a related note, the second season of the manga just doesnt seem as good so far as the first season...

[kenjiharima]

Yes most of the stories here are condensed and re-made as seen in Ruby's and Mizore's anime introduction.

and Whao! First time I've herd the 2nd season manga was not as good as the first one. Well it's a sequel and pretty much in the 2nd season manga new characters are introduced and there are more fillers, though the fillers have good character development for each character featured. R+V focuses on all girls, guys and Tsukune.

[tyranuus]

I've only read 1-7 of the second season so far so it may be a case it gets a lot better, and there's been a little development, but it also feels like its backtracked in some ways.
Tsukune for example seems a lot less prepared or capable of 'vamping up' than he was towards the end of the first season of manga where it'd become reasonably frequent even with the 'locking' of his full abilities/ghoul state (hell he even almost vamped up to stop his friends fighting over him in the human world!)...
It just feel like its pulled back a little, possibly to stop it plateauing too quickly...

Either way, if anything my reading of the manga hasn't hurt my appreciation of the anime, I can see why a lot of the changes were probably made.
The episode/manga chapter where he goes home and the other girls turn up is stil one of my favourite of the bunch, and one of the funniest.
Also one of the sweetest because, at least from the way I watched the episode and read the manga, it seems, after Moka panicing that they're causing a load of issues for Tsukune and they should never come, it turns out that out of everyone, Moka is pretty much the only person Tsukune has really talked about over the phone with his parents, and has expressed how important she is to him [and that he'd like to introduce her to his parents, they seem unaware it was a she], his mum also noting he seemed happier than any other time when talking about her. In otherwords it was a fairly clear show of where Tsukune's heart rather than friendly affections lay.

[kenjiharima]

Oh so that's why. Read more of the R+V s2 manga chapters it's pretty good in later chapters, alot of developments.

[tyranuus]

I did wonder whether its a case of it got better, just the early chapters feel quite...'opener-y', especially compared to the chapters that had just preceded it.

[tyranuus]

OK well I'll revise my opinion, after the first 5-8 or so of the second season, it does seem to get a lot better, and the storyline seems to have gone more mature. Theres also more hints towards Tsukune/Moka's future together hehe
I guess it really was a case of the mangaka feeling thier way around where they wanted to take the story in the near future, and perhaps doing some preliminary work for anyone who hadn't read the story before so it was established that Tsukune is still relatively human and...mostly outmatched... unless he 'awakens'. Roughly up to chapter 22 now, with 28 translated out, and the 29th now out as raw so should be soon....gah its gonna be a long wait for this to finish with the monthly releases!

Spoiler:

Also from a few things I've seen now, I really do think the manga will end with Tsukune and Moka together, its been building up since the first seasons of manga and there seems to be no signs of that changing, rather than an annoying Harem ending, the only things now standing in the way or still posing questions are:
A) What does Tsukune truly become and will he learn control of his vampiric element/personality before his lock breaks or he becomes too strong for the long to hold any longer
B) Can he find a way to help Mizore out of her predicament...that whole story arc got me going because of what you think has happened to her. I certainly felt some gratification when Tsukune vamped and smacked the guy into the floor. Either way, I doubt he'll want to abandon her to the rules and whims of her people and a forced marriage...sperm donor () perhaps...might stop Moka killing them both if he doesnt actually have to 'do' her!
C) Both sides of Moka now seem close to accepting him [well Outer obviously already has, and has for a while] as a possible partner, but will Inner Moka completely accept him (I think yes), will the two sides of her personality merge back into one 'full Moka' because both personalities seem to convey part of the whole.
D) Will her parents accept him...BIG IF...it seems to be an 'interesting' family.
E) When will HIS family find out about what he's become? His cousin already knows what he hangs around with, but I dont think any of them know he's no longer completely human, although his cousin might have guessed.
If he has to actually vamp up in front of them, it will probably be a bit of a surprise to them! Given he will suddenly become incredibly fast and strong (along with tough), and his hair changes to silver and eyes to red like Moka's it's gonna be a bit impossible to hide if he's forced to do it.
And Im pretty sure they might find out eventually. Hell if he ever marries Moka Im pretty sure he might have a few things to explain (especially if she bites him at the end of the ceremony!)

[kenjiharima]

I suggest you go to the manga section more often since that's more most discussion manga and anime alike are most talked about, also other updates such as merchandises and others.

[tyranuus]

Haha yeah I noticed yesterday/the day before
Just waiting for II CH29 to get a translation now to find out if anything happens, Tsukune would be heartbroken if

Spoiler:

outer Moka was lost forever, because as he himself said that entire idea is incredibly painful to him, he loves them both, although at least we now know even if shes stuck inside right now she's actually fine rather than fading away!

I don't tend to read Manga (R+V was the first, although Im likely going to read Beck at some point), so I was kinda oblivious to that section.

Either way, directly relevant to the anime, I really dont think its as bad as it could have been, I think they just tried to push the fanservice/humour side because some of the more indepth manga subplots like the vampire hybrid transformation are just far too lengthy for a 13 episode series, and possibly a 26 episode series to do justice to (it's what 60+ chapters of the manga and still ongoing, and I gather from my brother R+V chapters are reasonably lengthy).
Having read all of the manga translated now, a LOT of scenes or even full chapters made it into the anime, and the current manga happenings do bare a strong resemblence, in at least the base nature of the plot, to what was going on towards the end of season 2 anime. Makes me wonder how much input the author/mangaka had.

[xxxplizit]

Whoa. Rosario + Vampire (both seasons) got licensed at ACen:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ire-anime-more

[Justin Kim]

Well I just rewatched both season of Rosario + Vampire on DVD, and caught up with the manga. Lately though, something has been bothering me about the storyline and the content difference between the manga and the anime itself.

Within the manga do we actually see Moka's father battle with Tsukune? I really can't remember, and I just read all the chapters really fast so that part was a little bit vague. Does anyone remember that scene within the anime corresponding to the manga itself?

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Justin Kim

Well I just rewatched both season of Rosario + Vampire on DVD, and caught up with the manga. Lately though, something has been bothering me about the storyline and the content difference between the manga and the anime itself.

Within the manga do we actually see Moka's father battle with Tsukune? I really can't remember, and I just read all the chapters really fast so that part was a little bit vague. Does anyone remember that scene within the anime corresponding to the manga itself?

Spoiler for Manga; Season II:

We just met her Father, named Shuzen Issa. He is bad ass scary. Nothing like the stupid anime one. Tsukune has yet to meet him face to face though.

The anime changed (and ruined in my opinion) so, so, so, so much. I think a lot of Capu2 is original, at least the 2nd half.

[Justin Kim]

Ah ok thank you, that is where the confusion started. I should really keep a note on these things haha :P

[tyranuus]

Yeah I don't hate the anime, especially as it introduced me to R+V but there is a lot of changes, especially when it comes to season 2. Best to treat it as an omake or alternate telling rather than canon, especially as the manga shifted away from story a chapter/episode as it progressed and gained momentum.

[teddychan]

can i ask for help i can't seems to remember what episode did tsukune planned to touch moka but was stop by the rosary and told tsukune that he can't touch moka i really forgot that episode