2013-01-25, 18:25 | Link #342 | |
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And you know most teenage boys think about sex way more than that irl. Harem lead guys are almost always some laughably unrealistically holy virgins thatt dont even masturbate. |
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2013-01-26, 00:20 | Link #344 | |
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But yes, I agree that we guys IRL think about sex more than the average harem MC, even such a virgin (and I mean by virgin "no girlfriend since birth) like me. And like GenjiChan, I hate that fact as well. Infidelity has been the bane of relationships since the dawn of history. No wonder there are man-haters IRL. But we're going really left-field here, so I'll have to leave this topic for a while until I could think of my most hated anime cliche from the top of my head. |
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2013-01-26, 00:22 | Link #345 | |
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I think the harem leads that DON'T immediately grope every girl who they meet are probably supposed to be a type of role model for the teen audience.
"Don't be a pervert. Treat a girl like a lady instead of a sex object." Is this really a BAD message? I don't think so. Quote:
As for manga.... Spoiler for Love Hina:
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2013-01-26, 00:55 | Link #346 |
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"Perverts in the real world are scum, but those who treat girls as sex objects are worse than scum."
Not a bad message at all, brethren. But yes, harem MCs DO masturbate and have sex with their girls during their spare them, it just happens offscreen. |
2013-01-26, 07:29 | Link #347 | |
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2013-01-26, 12:15 | Link #349 | ||
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One thing that stands out to me about the portrayal of "moe girls" in anime is how a lot of it really is one big tease. I'm a big fan of yuri, and I'm struck by how often a popular yuri pairing never moves beyond the hint/implied stage. How such pairings often remain ambiguous: Are they "just friends" or are they more? The yuri anime often gives plenty hints supporting "they're more", but it often (if not typically) falls short of outright confirming this (even with just a kiss, say). Then, look at how romances tend to be handled in KyoAni shows (such shows tending to be very popular and well-selling). How often do such romances feature an actual kiss? And if there is a kiss, how often is it "just a dream" or "just an accident"? If this sort of approach was disliked by most otakus, then why does it continue on so frequently? No, this type of approach is so widespread and commonplace that I can only conclude that it is a popular and well-liked approach amongst otakus (i.e. Japanese hardcore anime fans). I can only conclude that otakus love to be tantalized and teased. And maybe that's fine if you put yourself into the right mindset for it, and are willing to be satisfied by something other than a total "payoff". Quote:
I think Chiibi has a point here. I think the male lead in many of these shows are intended to come across as reasonably gentlemanly and respectful of the girls that are interested in them (perhaps because it's hoped/thought that the male viewers will be the same way). And that means not taking advantage of the feelings those girls have for them in quick and shallow ways.
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Its like lol no. And I know its possible, but it happens in like most harem anime. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-01-26 at 14:24. |
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2013-01-26, 14:03 | Link #351 | |
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I think it's that (at least some) viewers already have a hope/expectation that the male lead will treat the girls/women in his harem with a certain respect. Consider Makoto Itou. Here's a guy that took full advantage of his harem, and moved fairly quickly into the "groping" stage. Now, did people go "F Yeah!" over his actions, or did they hate him for it? Edit: I think a good way to approach things is to maybe show the male lead fantasizing about his girlfriend and/or the girl of his dreams. I felt this was something that Mysterious Girlfriend X did pretty well, although that's not a harem anime of course. I'll admit that some harem anime male leads border on asexual, and that is hard to swallow, agreed.
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2013-01-26, 14:04 | Link #352 | |
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2013-01-26, 14:08 | Link #353 | |
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I think it might be good if more harem anime showed the male lead fantasizing about one or more of the girls in his show. That would be a good way to show that he's a "normal, hotblooded male", imo.
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2013-01-26, 14:15 | Link #354 | |
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And to sum myself up, my main point is that Im annoyed by plain (at best) guys having a bunch of could do way better girls on him (a few, okay, but that many??), and then he whines and screams instead of, like, telling them that molesting him isnt cool or enjoying it. It also often plays into that stupid rule that girls can hit guys, b/c everyone knows women are infinitely weaker beings who cant possibly hurt men, so shut up and take all that "abuse". The reason Im annoyed is because it seems like, and probably is, self-insert shit (either on the authors part or intended for the audience to do so). And for the record, thats the same reason I hate the main character in Twilight, shes an annoyingly bland "I dont care about anything" character who mysteriously manages to get every hot guy she meets to fall for her by doing nothing. Cool if thats what you like, but I cant and dont want to project myself onto fictional characters I didnt make up. |
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2013-01-26, 14:18 | Link #355 | |
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Also why is this thread almost derailing into another "harem lead" discussion topic? |
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2013-01-26, 14:33 | Link #356 |
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Yeah,I'd like to point Kudryavka towards this thread for discussion on this topic.
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2013-01-26, 14:36 | Link #357 | |
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Anyway thanks. I never said it shouldnt be done, I just said why I dont like it, then gave a good reason. Just like this thread is supposed to be about. So if anyone derailed this, it wasnt me. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-01-26 at 14:46. |
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I don't really know how true that is, since I don't get emotionally invested in what relationships there *could* be, and I guess I find it lazy for writers or whoever to build up romance, but never take it anywhere. |
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