2011-08-08, 16:43 | Link #861 |
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Other than those overly sensitive to genders, its already pretty obvious FemShep is very different from ManShep. Take a poll on who does Shepard better (bioware's forums have already done this several times). You'll get a common one where people feel ManShep does Renegade better while FemShep does Paragon better. Same dialogue, absolutely different feeling. I felt this most strongly during Samara's sidequest with FemShep sounding much more empathic (oh dear i'm differentiating male and female when humans only come in 1 gender to some people ).
Personally i don't mind if FemShep has different dialogue. It would have helped in the final speech before the last boss in ME2 since FemShep didn't sound too good there. |
2011-08-08, 17:13 | Link #862 |
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Heh, I don't give a damn if femshep's a soldier or not. Males and females do act/talk differently. It's only about how much. We're not robots with a male/female personality switch, the difference is within our genes.
They could have at least altered a few lines, ya know (outside of romance specifics). Or a few NPC reactions at least, some were pretty hillarious, to be honest. Problem is, in Bioware's case...it really is laziness; there is no "how much", there is only "not at all". Just thinking about Dragon Age 2; some of the companions seemed like a shameless copy/paste. Merrill felt like a rushed Tali clone that's more about blabbering than badass action. Fenris? Oh I don't know...Garrus wannabe? At least they tried with ME and DA1. The only companion I really liked in DA2 was Varric, that's just sad. Well, they improved the cameras and lighting for most of the dialogues in ME2, that was a huge improvement over the first game. Though the constant Miranda-cam perverseness was sickeningly stupid. At least they were subtler with Tali. It was said here that changing the dialogues too much would force the player into a gender choice. I don't understand that statement. You can't anticipate what changes there are for each gender in dialogues. If anything, it adds replay value, because if the difference was noticeable, people would be curious enough to play the game again. I mean, they already do that for romances' sake. Why not give them some small bits of new unexplored content in terms of dialogue changes based on gender choice for their second playthrough? That way, you wouldn't want to skip half the conversations just because they're the same old (excluding the paragon/renegade actions)...
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2011-08-08, 19:52 | Link #865 |
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Amusingly enough, gameplay-wise Tali is a complete fail in both ME titles (though she's much better in ME1) while Merrill is an overpowered engine of badassery with her special Blood Mage tree, Wrath of the Elvhen fully upgraded and tons of +blood magic items.
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2011-08-08, 20:23 | Link #866 | |
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2011-08-09, 05:34 | Link #868 |
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On the subject of Tali, I never liked her, and really every time I talked to her my empathy for the Quarian race as a whole dropped another notch. Oh, so you created the Geth? Okay, wasn't that illegal? Oh, they were low level intelligence. Wait, you were surprised when they evolved? And now that they were sentient creatures you decided the best course of action was utter genocide? And now you are angry at them after they defended their own lives and chucked you off your world? And now that they've pretty much spared your lives after you tried to commit genocide you still want to exterminate them all?
Koris was the only voice of reason on that entire Flotila. |
2011-08-09, 07:01 | Link #869 | |
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2011-08-09, 07:05 | Link #870 |
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Aside from Koris, maybe Tali's aunt, any Quarian I talked to went the "Geth are evil!" routine. Legion even says as much, the moment the Quarians think they can win a fight against the Geth, they attack. Always.
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2011-08-09, 08:10 | Link #873 | |
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So yeah, the Quarians have victimised themselves far too much, that is true. But still, I want a peace-deal because Quarians don't deserve to die out no matter how bitchy they are. And I hate to see Tali cry.
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2011-08-09, 08:12 | Link #874 |
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I never really cared for Quarians either. They are all pretty boring to me, including Tali *activates flame hardeners* and for the reason Kero said.
Otherwise, Turian and Krogan fanboy, reporting in. Turians for their aesthetics, military and general design, Krogans because there are no race as funny and badass as them.
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2011-08-09, 08:19 | Link #875 |
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I want peace between the Quarians and the Geth not for the Quarians sake, but because we have an incoming Reaper invasion and the Quarians have the biggest fleet in the galaxy. That strikes me as "could be very useful when the fighting breaks out."
Which reminds me, I wonder what happens to people who went full-blown renegade. Killed the Ragni queen, destroyed the Geth, didn't help the Krogan recover with the half-finished cure, etc. etc. the galaxy is in a pretty shitty state if you go full renegade. |
2011-08-09, 08:35 | Link #876 |
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Turian, Krogan, Drell and Geth for me, I love Legion too much he's like a a little mascot for the team, Turian well when you have an entire race full of Batmans its pretty hard not to love them. And who can't love, "That headbutt hurt...you have earned a place upon our nobility" Krogans, seriously any race whose superiority lies solely in who can headbutt harder is awesome. The Drell well Thane was interesting to me, so I want to see more from the Drell.
Asari seem really boring with their whole enlightened thing, Volus is basically a merchant race and [BORED REPRIMAND] Elcor are the worst alien race ever, look more like pointless ugly statues than sentient life.
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2011-08-09, 08:49 | Link #877 | |
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Mostly because the first Elcor I met was at the embassy, who defended humanity against the insults of the Volus diplomat. There aren't many races willing to defend human's place in the world. So that Volus left a good impression on me.
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2011-08-09, 10:58 | Link #878 |
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Oh, yeah the topic changed!
I liked Turians and Geth( Legion will always be on my team). Quarians are ok, but I too don't understand why are people so obsessed with Tali. I think if we got a choice to romance Tali in ME1 , there would be much less hype than it is now. Everything else - I don't know, I haven't looked much into other races.
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2011-08-09, 11:04 | Link #879 | ||
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Where's the love for Salarians? They're a funny bunch too.
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Food for thought from the other side of the issue - While the tech was illegal, EDI helped Shepard and his crew enough to be considered a valuable member of the team (even saving Shep from the collector vessel, whose second death would mean the end of all races (not going to consider him dying in ME2 and being replaced by another Shepard in ME3 as canon)). What does that make of the whole AI legal/illegal issue in the ME universe and what kind of shadow does it cast on Quarians for creating the Geth then? But hey, let's find out ourselves, AI development is starting to bloom, give it a few generations and see how we behave.
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2011-08-09, 11:39 | Link #880 | |
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Let's make it clear; the Geth have the right to exist as sentient beings. The ban on the construction of AI as it stands makes Geth illegal. This means something must give; either the law is changed, or the Council races wage war against an opponent who do not wish them harm much like what the Quarians did. My Shepard would never allow the Geth race to be wiped out, so that is that. The law will change. Don't forget that the Council see fit to break their own laws out of convenience. The Medigel is technically a grave violation of genetic modification laws according to the in-game description. But the galactic society as a whole needed it so everyone turn a blind eye. So what is legal or not matters very little. (In other news, I just installed ME2 for the first time as well as all mission-related DLCs. But it would be a while before I got my "perfect Shepard" to import from ME1. Hence it would just sit in my harddrive for now) EDIT 2: I just had a bizarre thought... We know that the Geth are immune from Indoctrination, and could only be controlled via virus insertion. Perhaps the Reapers intentionally influenced galactic society into hating machines to prevent the widespread existence of AIs?
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