Character Discussion - Lelouch

[bladeofdarkness]

how
what can shnizel do ?
say "lelouch used to be zero"
that would make him even MORE popular
say "he has geass" ?
who'd believe him without haivng seen massive evidence to support it
lelouch rules britannia, is loved by its normal people, and crushes anyone who opposes him (with suzaku by his side)
shnizel cant do anything to him

and none of that makes any difference when it comes to the UFN and teh black knights
lelouch attacking them does not help deal with shnizel
in fact, it COMPLICATES having to deal with shnizel, because he has to fight him AND the black knights at the same time instead of just shnizel

[ncrushx]

Okay, now you are just being stupid.


Imagine the entire world against Lelouch at that point.

That would make the UFN bigger, with the remaining countries and civilians that decided to stay neutral join.

Last time I checked, not all nations were in Britannia or UFN. Like Australia for example.

If, the evidence does not have a picture of Lelouch/Zero and they are allowed to fight in mechas at the Battle of Damocles. The Geass on them will not affect them, assuming it's enough for them to believe and not seeing Lelouch/Zero within the battle. Schneizel would know that, and wouldn't have anybody Geass-affected (not by Lelouch as a precaution) on his ship, but fighting the air.
They can use the evidence from the past and gathered back in Episode 19, hell they can make up some of the stuff.

You are making up useless excuses like a child would.

[bladeofdarkness]

why would i Imagine the entire world against Lelouch at that point. ?
i'm talking AFTER he took over britannia
when he is in control of britannia, loved by its people, and in charge of its army, with suzauk by his side as his "knight of zero"
the world at that point is divided into two main forces
britannia (the larger, and stornger one) and the UFN
lelouhch rules britannia, and the UFN is run by people lelouch had put in power
shnizel, is hiding in cambodia because if lelouch gets his hands on him, he and everyone around him are dead
he cant do anything to lelouch using his political power in britannia since the entire court is geassed to obey lelouch
and he has no military forces of his own save for the damocels and the mordred

if leouch comes to them and says "lets make peace" then the UFN is no longer fighting against britannia anymore (lelouch was VERY popular with teh UFN people)

this is the point where ep 22 takes place
and this is the point I am talking about
i dont quite know what YOU are talking about

Originally Posted by ncrushx

If, the evidence does not have a picture of Lelouch/Zero and they are allowed to fight in mechas at the Battle of Damocles. The Geass on them will not affect them, assuming it's enough for them to believe and not seeing Lelouch/Zero within the battle. Schneizel would know that, and wouldn't have anybody Geass-affected (not by Lelouch as a precaution) on his ship, but fighting the air.
They can use the evidence from the past and gathered back in Episode 19, hell they can make up some of the stuff.
.

you lost me on this one
i litteraly have no idea what you are talking about

[ncrushx]

Like I said, they would make peace with the evidence of what/who the Emperor is that Schneizel holds?

Um, no...Lelouch is dead.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by ncrushx

Like I said, they would make peace with the evidence of what/who the Emperor is that Schneizel holds?

Um, no...Lelouch is dead.

what ????

[ncrushx]

Schneizel does not know about the one-time thing. You cannot get out proving to the Bk and Schneizel about your Geass without unveiling your weaknesses. Even, if everybody in the entire world knew, they would not accept him having contradictions in their mind that they are already geassed.

Which is something Lelouch could never prove. One time Geass is all you need, but rather not having to me because you can only make them have one command.

There, how about that?

[Rising Dragon]

ncrushx, you're no longer making any sense whatsoever.

[bladeofdarkness]

shnizel is not relevent
having to fight him is a given

why fight aginast the black knights if you can prove to them that you are NOT their enemy and did NOT geass them ?

the black knights are NOT shniezl's army, and have no loyalty to him
they only ally with him AFTER lelouch attacks them
if lelouch did not attack them, they wouldn't ally with shnizel
so why attack them ?

@dragon
good, i thought it was just me

[ncrushx]

*sighs*

It makes sense. You cannot tell when somebody is bluffing or not, just because he has his Geass turned on doens't mean he is using it after he gave you a command already; therefore Geassing with a second command doesn't explain anything showing that it doesn't work when you can only use Geass once.

There isn't a way out.

[bladeofdarkness]

all the same
why attack the black knights ?
why not attack shnizel without involving the black knights ?

[ncrushx]

Read the last post, no matter where you are sending a message to the BK, you could never prove it especially when you are at a sunny place with sunlight.

[bladeofdarkness]

even if he COULDNT prove it, there is still no reason to attack them
there were other solutions that did NOT involve world war

if they really refused to trust him, he could have agreed to only send diplomats to meetings instead of himself
or only do meetings through video confrence
or a hundred different ways that keep THEM safe from his geass

there is no reason to attack them, as they would not have attacked HIM if he proved himself a peace loving emperor

there is no reason to attack them, especially since he has to deal with shnizel on top of all that

[ncrushx]

-.- How could he/Suzaku do that in mid-air while wasting time just preventing battle; like everybody would fall to death by Gefion Disturber in battle? You can't protect all BK, only the ones you know.

Have you forgotten Schneizel does not do anything or EVER make the first move. He wants peace, he does not mind if nothing is happening at the moment.

Schneizel has nothing to lose, have you forgotten. He does not care if Cornelia was stabbed to death in the neck.

Exactly, that means Lelouch could take over the cameras and hide in secret the whole time, and Lelouch has used that strategy before. They don't trust Lelouch enough, that is all or ever.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by ncrushx

-.- How could he do that in mid-air; like everybody would fall to death by Gefion Disturber?

Have you forgotten Schneizel does not do anything or EVER make the first move. He wants peace, he does not mind if nothing is happening at the moment.

Schneizel has nothing to lose, have you forgotten. He does not care if Cornelia was stabbed to death in the neck.

you're going to have to run that one by me again

why attack the black knights ?

[azul120]

Zero Requiem happened because Lelouch had a death wish at that point, and the show needed him to be a Large Ham to the very end. If not for the latter at the very least, Lelouch would have probably pulled a Miss Deep, evacuating Nunnally out of FLEIJA by herself, isolating himself along with Schneizel and Kanon, and sending it towards the sun as eventually planned.

[Rising Dragon]

Yeah you can't hotlink from TVTropes, Blade. =X

[bladeofdarkness]

fine (pic removed)
but it still makes no sense
why attack the black knights

and i still dont get ANYTHING of what he just said

[ncrushx]

Originally Posted by azul120

Zero Requiem happened because Lelouch had a death wish at that point, and the show needed him to be a Large Ham to the very end. If not for the latter at the very least, Lelouch would have probably pulled a Miss Deep, evacuating Nunnally out of FLEIJA by herself, isolating himself along with Schneizel and Kanon, and sending it towards the sun as eventually planned.

It was also beneficial towards how Lelouch wanted to shape the future.

Not to mention, there are probably some people who have no idea what is going on; or maybe confused and even worse wanting revenge.

[bladeofdarkness]

what does that have to do with attacking the black knights
if all lelouch really needs to do is stop snhizel, then attacking the black knights HURTS that goal by making it HARDER to attack shnizel

[ncrushx]

Originally Posted by ncrushx

-.- How could he/Suzaku do that in mid-air while wasting time just preventing battle; like everybody would fall to death by Gefion Disturber in battle? You can't protect all BK, only the ones you know.

Have you forgotten Schneizel does not do anything or EVER make the first move. He wants peace, he does not mind if nothing is happening at the moment.

Schneizel has nothing to lose, have you forgotten. He does not care if Cornelia was stabbed to death in the neck.

Exactly, that means Lelouch could take over the cameras and hide in secret the whole time, and Lelouch has used that strategy before. They don't trust Lelouch enough, that is all or ever.

You're asking a question that is impossible to answer. They would take the chance to surround him while he is running away. He'll have to fight his way out especially when Kallen is there, even if he gets out.

Jeremiah could easily be fooled, anyway, most likely by Touhou or taken out by Kallen.

I already proven that its impossible to make peace with the BK or Schneizel, proving it was right to get rid of the source of the Geass.