Character Discussion - Kallen

[FoxxFireArt]

That seems unlikely. Considering that Kallen is seen as a threat to Britannia I don't see why they would want to let her out. Letting her go just gives her a chance to escape.
That and I don't think Suzaku wants to let her go since he seems to plan on torturing her to get information out of her.
I was actually softening up a bit on him, but now using such a dangerous drug just so he can get what he wants makes me hate him more so then ever.

I noticed that before when Kallen fought against Suzaku she never really hated him on a personal level. She didn't like him, but now that he's going to use the very drug that caused so much damage to her mother. Oh, I think that's going to inspire some deep and powerful hatred when they fight next time in battle.
I'm hoping she beats him down HARD.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

That seems unlikely. Considering that Kallen is seen as a threat to Britannia I don't see why they would want to let her out.

Well, status, power and everything else is important in Britannia too. If Nunnally were to order Kallen to be freed... Then theorically they might have to do it, because Nunnally is both the governor and a royal princess. They wouldn't like it, but they'd be bound by their positions, in essence. It'd be like when Nunnally announced the SAZ all over again: They didn't like the idea/prospect of it, but they had to do it regardless.

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

That and I don't think Suzaku wants to let her go since he seems to plan on torturing her to get information out of her.
I was actually softening up a bit on him, but now using such a dangerous drug just so he can get what he wants makes me hate him more so then ever.

Well, Suzaku has never been a favourite character of mine, but I've always respected him and I've been willing to acknowledge so far that out of the two of them (Lelouch and him) he may well have been the one that held the moral high ground. but if he really goes though with what he's treathening to do, then.. I'm going to lose a lot of my respect for him - and he's going to lose that moral high ground he has held so far then...

Hah, if they wanted to make Suzaku more hated/despised than he already is, then seriously this would do the trick... <_<.

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

I noticed that before when Kallen fought against Suzaku she never really hated him on a personal level. She didn't like him, but now that he's going to use the very drug that caused so much damage to her mother. Oh, I think that's going to inspire some deep and powerful hatred when they fight next time in battle.
I'm hoping she beats him down HARD.

Well, obviously, before it was sorta of like "Hey, we might be trying to kill each other, but it's just the fact that we're on oppsite sides. nothing personal about it, pal" - but if Suzaku really goes though with torturing Kallen with Refain, then their fight/hatred against each other is going to get A LOT more personal indeed...

[Evockzi]

Cant wait to see where this Anime goes in Further episodes..

As for Kallen:

Spoiler for episode:

I just really hope nothing seriously negative comes from the use of refrain on her >.<... I love watching Kallen kick ass and wish to keep doing so =)

[Aquaman OS]

She'll be fine. One dose isn't gonna do anything bad. Suzaku can't use more than one without getting caught so he can't make her an addict.

[ZeroSama]

If Kallen does get drugged i hope she makes good on her promise to Suzaku in S1 "i will take down you and your white armor even though it costs me my life".

Its the only death for her, that as a Kallen fan i would find acceptable.

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

She'll be fine. One dose isn't gonna do anything bad. Suzaku can't use more than one without getting caught so he can't make her an addict.

How do know she'll slip anything just using once dose? You may notice that there were several vials of Refrain in that box.
From what we know about the drug it makes the person relive the happiest moments of their past. Odds are that will be Kallen's childhood with her mother and brother. Technically speaking, I wouldn't think in that mind set Kallen would even know who Zero was. I just don't see how that would be an effective tool for getting information.
It is interesting if you ask, "Where did he get his hands on so much on an illegal substance?".

We don't know just how addictive this drug can be. We did see that Kallen's mother suffered due to with drawl.

I just want her to get back to the fight. We can tell from the opening she will get back into it. I'm just getting sick of waiting for it.
There are some people talking about them struggling with the vial and Suzaku getting injected, but I find that unlikely.
Suzaku has shown himself to be a skilled hand to hand fighters. Kallen is also wearing a dress and has much more exposed skin to inject. Only area exposed on Suzaku is his neck and face.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

If Kallen does get drugged i hope she makes good on her promise to Suzaku in S1 "i will take down you and your white armor even though it costs me my life".

Its the only death for her, that as a Kallen fan i would find acceptable.

You know, normally when people promise to do something "even if it costs [them their] life", it's just a show of determination and not a sign that they're going to die. I've yet to see a story where a line like that constitutes as literally meaning that it'll happen like that.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

You know, normally when people promise to do something "even if it costs [them their] life", it's just a show of determination and not a sign that they're going to die. I've yet to see a story where a line like that constitutes as literally meaning that it'll happen like that.

True. But after the refrain incident who else would you rather have killing Suzaku?

Plus i said if she had to die storywise this is the way i would like her to go, making good on her promise and getting her revenge. Its the only death for her i would accept.

[youngde]

Hey all,

I know this is a little off topic since most of the discussion right now revolves around Kallen being forced to use refrain by Suzaku and the possible consequences, but my brother and I have been watching through the series from the beginning the past week, and I just noticed a little thing that really isn't important (Seriously, it has absolutely NO relevence at all other than the humor factor.), but was wondering if anyone knew the answer to.

In episode 4 or R2, while Kallen and C.C. are discussing the sudden apparent betrayel of the Chinese Federation, Kallen remarks that it "reminds [her] of what happened at Aomori," to which C.C. responds that it's "better than that" because "everyone is wearing clothes," which, of course, annoys Kallen.

Now we all know that Kallen seems to have a certain propensity for ending up in compromising positions, mostly involving (though not limited to) showering. The thing is, the Aomori incident mentioned here doesn't seem to correspond with any of the situations that have appeared on screen (those occuring at Ashford with Lelouch, Kaminejima with Suzaku and the Chinese Embassy with C.C. and Xingke).

So was Aomori simply an incident that happened offscreen (presumably in the year between seasons 1 and 2) that Kallen somehow, once again, ended up naked (or mostly so) in front of people? If so, man, she either has the worst luck, or really needs to start checking her surroudings before/during/after showering.

Again, no relevence to the plot, I was just wondering what Aomori refers to.

[Blue_Mercy]

Originally Posted by youngde

So was Aomori simply an incident that happened offscreen (presumably in the year between seasons 1 and 2) that Kallen somehow, once again, ended up naked (or mostly so) in front of people? If so, man, she either has the worst luck, or really needs to start checking her surroudings before/during/after showering.

Again, no relevence to the plot, I was just wondering what Aomori refers to.

You asked the question and gave the answer in your question. Presumably there was an incident in the "lost year" where both C.C. and Kallen were naked at Aomori.

[bladeofdarkness]

here begins my long ass speculation about the end of the corrent situation with kallen and suzaku
warning : long post is long

Spoiler for long post is long:

ever since the end of last ep the main question we have been dealing with is what would happen in ep 15 with suzaku and kallen
the general opinion has raised several potential ends to this problem

1)suzaku injects her and she tells him lulu's secret
2)suzaku injects her and she gives him nothing becouse she will remember her past (brother,mother,whatever)instead of what he wants
3)someone walks in and prevents him from injecting her (nunnaly,some random person,whoever)
4)suzaku is only bluffing
5)suzaku stops himself from injecting her becouse he cant bring himself to do it
6)kallen and suzaku fight and she ends up injecting him

these seem to be the main options raised

when trying to choose which one is most likely one must ask the question
does sunrise intend to have lulu and suzaku work together against a common enemy in the future
in most mecha shows where both sides of the conflict have a long list of "good characters"(good here being anything from likeble to nice to being Honorble to generaly being something other then out right evil) its often the case where both sides end up working together against a common "evil" enemy
and when dealing with the britannan side who are supposed to be the bad guys you end up having a great number of characters who can enter the "good" definition (just a short list would include gino,anya,Lloyd,cecil,cornelia(now)gillford,and yes even suzaku)
lets face it
its hard to picture all these characters dying at the end of the shw just becouse they happen to work for the wrong boss
so its more then likely that the show will end with this co op against someone else
and such a co op of course would depend on the two main characters of the factions
those being lulu and suzaku (who are supposed to talk in ep 17)
and if they are to agree to work together its importent that neither one of them does anything that breaks the rules completely
that means doing something that will forever mark them as enemys who can only hate one another (hurting each other is not a rule breaker but hurting each others loved ones is)
euphies death despite being viewed as such by suzaku was not a rule breaker
suzaku hates lulu with a vengence for euphies death becouse he doesnt know the truth about it
he doesnt know that lulu didnt geass her on purpose and that when he killed her he had no other choice (and that it was probably the hardest thing he ever had to do)
what lulu did while tragic is forgivble and therefor suzaku could forgive him for it if he learned the truth
had lulu killed her in cold blood and on purpose that would not be the case and then it would have been a rule breaker
and if ep 14 showed us one thing it was that lulu gets more then a little crazy when you hurt his loved ones

and so when considering these facts one must divide the above options in to two groups
the first group are the options that forever seal the fate on any future co op between lulu and suzaku and would forever make them enemys
kallen is the key
if suzaku does something to her for which she could never forgive him then it means that if lulu would find out about it then he would never forgive him either
i belive that the first four options from above would end in kallen being unable to ever forgive him and there for are the less likely ones
i think the last two options are cases where she could potentially forgive him for what he tried to do
if he stops himself then its obvius why she could
for the case where she injects him i wrote a post earlier in the suzaku thread
i here by attach it as well to give you a clearer idea of why i think she could forgive him
its a scenario that i wrote for a possible scene where she injects him

just picture it (i may be fanfic-ish here)
they fight
suzaku pins kallen down and is about to inject her when she kicks the chair at him
he drops the drug and she nails him with it
and then when he's distracted by it she kicks him off of her and he lands sitting against the cell wall
she gets up and picks up whats left of the chair
she walks over to where he's sitting(in a state of delusion)
and just as she's about to smash him with the chair he calls out euphies name
kallen freezes finding herself incapable of finishing him off in this state
suzaku keeps wispering euphies name with tears in his eyes
kallen starts to tear up as well and drops the chair
she then collpses against the wall on the other side of the cell
and the scene ends with both of them sitting opposite one another in tears

suzaku has a change of hearts after his memories of euphie show him that what she really wanted was for him and lulu to be at peace
and he realises just how far off his path he has gone

the next time we see them suzaku wakes up from his trip and wonders what happend
kallen (in her best tsundere voice) tells him she was about to kill him but then he started crying about euphie and she just couldnt do it
he trys to talk to her about what happend but she just tells him to leave
end of scene

in such a case where she gets a good look at how much he hurts inside about losing euphi kallen could come to forgive him
and if she can forhive him for his actions this ep then he and lulu could still work together

and so i think that the most likely way to end the corrent scene between them would either be options five or six
im hoping for six

[morbosfist]

I simply cannot see your outline of events coming to pass. If she drugs him, she'd be a fool to stick around for the drug to kick in. I cannot imagine that the effect acts so quickly as to instantly take someone out of reality. Assuming she turns the tables and injects him, she'll either off him on the spot or bolt for the door.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

I simply cannot see your outline of events coming to pass. If she drugs him, she'd be a fool to stick around for the drug to kick in. I cannot imagine that the effect acts so quickly as to instantly take someone out of reality. Assuming she turns the tables and injects him, she'll either off him on the spot or bolt for the door.

have you ever had an operation that requierd you to be put under
the effect take place within seconds
refrain could be the same

[morbosfist]

Fair enough, but anesthetics simply knock someone unconscious. For a drug that triggers nerve specific pathways such as this, I would assume the period of effect would be a bit longer.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Fair enough, but anesthetics simply knock someone unconscious. For a drug that triggers nerve specific pathways such as this, I would assume the period of effect would be a bit longer.

maybe it will and maybe it wont
but thats not the point of the post

[Isegrim]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

have you ever had an operation that requierd you to be put under
the effect take place within seconds
refrain could be the same

This would require the drug to be injected into the vein. I doubt that Kallen/Suzaku is going to keep still during a "application", so this might result in a subcutaneous injection. Or he/she "shoots an egg" (don't know the right term in English, sorry), means producing a chamber within the tissue, containing the Refrain.

[amjzz]

It seems lelouch just forgot about kallen...as far as he knows she was captured by suzaku...he doesnt know that she is with nunnally.

I wonder when is he going to rescue her, after all she is the best pilot of the black knights...and one of the few people in the order that knows that he is zero...

[kk2extreme]

she is gonna be a drug addict, so sad.

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by amjzz

It seems lelouch just forgot about kallen...as far as he knows she was captured by suzaku...he doesnt know that she is with nunnally.

I wonder when is he going to rescue her, after all she is the best pilot of the black knights...and one of the few people in the order that knows that he is zero...

I believe that Lelouch originally came back to Japan to set up his plans and rescue. He didn't consider that several Knights of the Round joined Ashford, then Sayako scheduled him half to death with dates, then these events with Shirley.
Look how fast Lelouch moved on that. He didn't even wait till after her funeral. He went right to the Order to wipe them out.

[Kyero Fox]

hahahaha oh man, I gotta watch this anime more. I have nooooooo fucking clue what the hell is going on. is Kallen becoming a bad guy or some weird shit? Please someone Message me and fiill me in DX