2012-07-08, 20:51 | Link #9941 |
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No one in this manga has any real reasons to love anyone else in the manga. Except for maybe Emukae although even that's highly subjective since she's more 'adoration/idol-worship' than; imo, love.
As for why Zenkichi likes Medaka. Who knows? It's not exactly a new topic, think we've discussed it way before Medaka's confession. Maybe he's actual a mental projection created by Medaka in her need to never be alone and to guide her on the path to being human -_- Or maybe he's been hit by 'childhood friend' syndrome. However, his actions do indicate he does like Medaka.
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2012-07-08, 20:56 | Link #9942 | |
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In this case, there is no reason Medaka has to be with Zen. It is merely a preference or expectation ("I cannot imagine that you will not be there."). If Zenkichi is not with Medaka, she may be sad, but she will be okay with it. The second thing is that there is no such thing as "love" in Medaka's current discussions. She is thinking of her and Zenkichi's normal relationship. For Medaka and Zenkichi to move to "romance", will be completely on Zenkichi's initiative. For example: although Medaka may not think always of Kumagawa, but she would be okay with marrying him. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-08-12 at 19:53. |
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2012-07-08, 21:14 | Link #9943 | ||
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The important point is point 3. Medaka has already stated, "by myself, I can do anything." So to say, Medaka does not need Zenkichi. She has no dependence on him.
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" but she would be okay with marrying him." - it's no romantic. I'm think it's only joke. For example: although Medaka may not think always of Kumagawa, but she would be okay with marrying him - that's just a worthless male fantasy (c) Last edited by ccie20012; 2012-07-08 at 21:36. |
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2012-07-08, 21:33 | Link #9944 | |
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So to say, if Medaka did things with other people, even if it's not Zen, Medaka would be okay. There is no need for the person to be Zen. Medaka has not shown romantic interest to Zenkichi either. Basically, Medaka has not shown romantic interest to anybody. To Medaka, love/romance is not a big deal. She might be okay with Zen, but we already know she would be okay with Kumagawa. So, the point is? If Zenkichi did not love Medaka romantically, and instead kept his platonic relationship with her, Medaka would have no problems. Except for Zenkichi being in love with her, it is open for her to be with another guy. |
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2012-07-08, 21:50 | Link #9945 |
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I find it difficult to communicate with you.
It is easier to convince the Pope that there is no Jesus Christ. I think even if the Zen and Medaka married, even if they show their wedding night, and so on you'll be say "I do not believe it." We read one and the same text. "If Zenkichi did not love Medaka romantically" Hmm ... Of course it's after Zen said I love you (Medaka) - will you marry me. Of course for you are not an argument. I have only one suggestion - write your manga, where the Medaka will love Kumagawa. But not in this universe |
2012-07-08, 22:37 | Link #9946 |
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Look, I completely agree on the point that the story has utterly failed to develop/showcase Zenkichi's feelings for Medaka, just leaving a gaping void where an explanation is supposed to be.
But you can't possibly argue that Medaka isn't romantically interested in Zenkichi. You just can't. I agree that her reasons for it are childish delusions of impotence and fear, ones that she can(and I hope she does) overcome, so Zenkichi can finally move on with his life - his life which is not tied to Medaka's every whimsy and cathing up to her - but you can't argue that she regards Zenkichi and Kumagawa with equal standards. This coming from someone who thinks ZenxMedaka is the worst written romance he's ever seen. |
2012-07-09, 00:37 | Link #9948 | |
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Udou Bukiko noted, "So long as [Medaka] values freedom over happiness, [Zenkichi] stands no threat to us." As a human (Medaka, that is), of course, it is difficult to be completely confident that Medaka will choose freedom over happiness. Changing her mind/direction would make her a pathetic character though, and if Nishio was planning to go that way he wouldn't have even bothered to bring up Medaka's development this chapter about becoming a human who doesn't need to depend on Zenkichi. I don't mind being seen as "optimistic", lol, but as I noted previously I don't actually bother hoping for things unless there's a realistic chance of them happening. I fully expect Medaka to stay true to her character development. And I also fully expect, at some point in the future, for Zenkichi's "love" for Medaka to be explored and developed thoroughly. |
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2012-07-09, 01:21 | Link #9949 |
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You know I can do my work by myself and it doesnt mean that I will not accept help that comes from my teammates, being able to do something by myself doesnt mean I will do it by myself.
When it comes to Medaka is unfortunate but the posibilitys of she loving someone else after Zenkichi are as of now zero. The only other person whom she may have loved is Miyakonojou but that is already past behind her. If she is pleased by Zenkichi being by her side let him stay at her side geez. It seems like this argument is the one of a mother being overprotective of her own daugther. I hope we know why exactly does Zen like Medaka, but at this stage we can safely assume is because the time he has spent with her. As simple as that. We do not need logic neither studys this is a manga, and in the world of manga the chilhood friend is one of the most used cliches. |
2012-07-09, 10:56 | Link #9953 |
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Udou Bukiko its main antagonist in this Arc. 0.0 ... (1) the probability that she will win.
Therefore, all her fears need to predict the opposite sign. She is afraid of meeting Zen and Medaka - it takes place. Already. She is afraid of something else - it's all true. Just read her fears - that's the way it is. Because she must lose. Another path will not happen (aka a bad end) - it is the law of the genre. P.S. I'm surprised that people do not like a pair of Zen x Medaka. Strangely, what they expected? It was obvious after the first chapter. After 139 chapters - had only to wait. http://www.mangareader.net/medaka-box/139/11 EVERYTHING IS PLANNED |
2012-07-09, 12:50 | Link #9954 |
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lol. I might have thought that way too, until Ajimu convinced Medaka to restart the Flask Plan. Any preconceived concepts you have about "the villain has to lose", "the main romance has to happen", etc. that you think not happening is impossible, you should better be prepared that Nishio could contradict completely.
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2012-07-09, 13:40 | Link #9955 | ||
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I really like Nisio's work and realize that, yes, he has done things that defy genre expectations before. Medaka Box is not one of those things, nor is it intended to be. Medaka and Zenkichi will get together because the entire manga has been setting up their relationship as "something special" and that's just how these sort of things work... furthermore, getting with Medaka has been Zen's goal for something close to thirty chapters now, and want to see him achieve that. After all the crap he goes through for her sake, he deserves her. |
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2012-07-09, 15:34 | Link #9956 | |
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So Aijimu winning doesn't actually break any usual shounen tropes. Hell she wasn't even a standard shounen villain as nothing she achieved was malignant. If Medaka dies, then you can say, Shounen villain tropes were broken. Otherwise it's still very much following usual shounen tropes. I mean hell noone in this manga has even freaking died. That's like the worse shounen trope to maintain. It removes all tension in these supposed battles. |
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2012-07-09, 17:12 | Link #9957 |
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shounen? Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman (c)
This romantic comedy (as promised) + parody + "word game" and the like. No one died. Medaka is a girl with whom nothing bad can happen Just take a beer and read/watch a good school comedy + shounen parody. Solve puzzles, have fun on a game of words and the like. I would compare this manga to R + V. In the winning side for Medaka Box. R+V comedy manga has migrated to the stupid battle manga (with real blood, and the like). Medaka Box contrary migrated from the battle manga (probably by design) to the romantic stories. Excellent. This was the main complaint about Medaka Box - where romance?, give more romance. I am pleased with the last 30 chapters. Last edited by ccie20012; 2012-07-09 at 17:31. |
2012-07-09, 18:10 | Link #9958 |
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^ ... I won't comment on that last post other than to say, I hope you don't wander into the R+V thread anytime soon...there's no R+V this month so the fans are rabid and eager to besige someone/thing... Oh, that includes me by the way.
As to how Zen and Meda are doing, meh, I'll let them be. I'm flexible enough to let the author/artist do their thing without me trying to box them into what I think they should do with their own story. Granted, I might disagree with how they do things from time to time, but it's no biggie. I still want to see what will happen in the end.
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2012-07-09, 18:49 | Link #9959 | |
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Sorry if anyone is offended, but I really do not like what happened to the manga. [/offtop] |
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action, comedy, harem, nishio, romance, shounen, student council |
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