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Maybe a history buff can provide some input on this? It's not really my area of expertise...^^; By the way, everything you hear about corsets is true. You cannot breathe or eat in them with ease but damn will you look fantastic. Even a girl with Izumi Konata's bust-size will suddenly have the image of a B-cup if she puts on a corset!
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2012-03-18, 01:32 | Link #83 |
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Interesting topic.
I found C.A.'s posts to be rather insightful. They put into words something that I'd been noticing. It certainly seemed as if there were more variety in character designs up through the 90's. It wasn't just the character designs, but the art styles. Today, it seems as if things have become much more streamlined. For female characters in particular, you basically shift around height, hair length, hair style, hair color, eye color, and chest size. I've run across a surprising number of series where it looked as if characters had been re-used between series. I actually have a gripe with how over-sexualized many character designs have become. Sex appeal was probably always a part of the genre, but female characters with impossible proportions are now the norm, whereas a series used to only have one for special purpose (and some would have none). I'll admit to deriving some guilty pleasure out of it, but I wish they'd tone it back at least a bit. If I had to choose one today, I'd go with the modern style. I loved the styles from the 80's and 90's when I was first exposed to them, and followed along as we gradually transitioned to where we are today. Because this is now what I'm used to, going back to the some of the older designs is a bit of a shock. However, if you had shown me a modern character design back in the 90's, I'm not sure that I would have found it appealing.
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2012-03-18, 01:44 | Link #84 |
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Some would liken it to using the same actors, just in a different role. And not just voice actors, but the body type and performance ranges as well. Very much like a 1930s Hollywood production were the studio pretty much owned the actors via contract.
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I don't mind when I recognize a character's voice actor between series, though. That probably relates to knowing that the VA pool is anchored to reality and can only be altered so much.
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2012-03-18, 01:56 | Link #87 |
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Both old and new animes has its unique features that can be decribe as superior to each other but the more important is that it fits the taste of its current viewers.
If I were to choose between the two, I might better choose base on plot/story rather than just design.... Last edited by NoemiChan; 2012-03-18 at 02:11. |
2012-03-18, 02:01 | Link #88 |
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And how many Kugimiya Rie tsundere lolis have we had that are basically the same body type, voice, and personality. At least on the base level? (In detail they become different) If it was Hollywood, she just would have had a different wig in each production.
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2012-03-18, 03:18 | Link #89 |
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For me, each period only represents the technology, animation power, and cultural style of the time.
You'd be surprised how many singers and actor has that type of weird hair style back in 80s. As for preferences, I don't have any. 80's anime got if own charm that zoos sexuality, current anime have theirs own moe factors. Back in 80s it's all 2-cour of more series, now it's 1-cour in majority but with much more choices of genres. As a follower for over 20 years, I learn to adapt and enjoy what is being shown.
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It is not common in other parts of the world to have art styles of different studios that are similar to each other. Disney, Looney Tunes, Simpsons, Southpark, Powerpuff Girls, Sponge Bob, Flintstones, immediately one can see how different all these are, they all have different proportions, different eyes, different facial structures and all the way down to different drawing and colouring style. Quote:
There are alot of people out there who can draw anime or manga style art, but how many can actually draw the anatomically complex styles of Marvel, DC, Neil Gaiman's Sandman or Chinese manhua? Of course there are simple art styles that are also not anatomically correct like Powerpuff Girls, Simpsons and many more, but at least they are completely unique and varied, compared to anime and manga. Quote:
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If you were to take away the heads of Haruhi, Yuki, Mikuru, Tsuruya, Ryoko, Kimidori and place them side by side all wearing the school uniform. The only things that are different between them is the height, by a tiny difference and only Mikuru and Yuki would have a obvious difference in bust size. Put headless Kyon, Itsuki and Taniguchi side by side, we can't tell anything different besides Itsuki being the taller one, there is no difference in shape at all. In real life there are so many variations in body shape besides the 3 sizes and height. Broadness of chest, shoulders, muscular structures, body fat, thickness of limbs and neck. Angles of shoulders, nape, collar bone, waist, back etc. So many things to consider, to change, to exaggerate or experiment with to create infinite variations, which anime and manga really aren't trying to play around with.
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2012-03-18, 04:10 | Link #91 | |
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And some modern series do have more unique art styles(have you seen anything by Shaft? ), or Katanagatari had style that pretty varied from the normal anime style. Or maybe Hourou Musuko, Usagi Drop, Redline, or Colorful? All very recent series with styles that are pretty unique to them.
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2012-03-18, 05:02 | Link #92 | |
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Shaft is indeed very creative in design compared to most anime studios, but even they are not bold enough to risk losing target audience. Gainax is probably the other more experimental studio out there and they don't even care about the opinions of original authors and artists of their adapted material, they just do what is insane enough for their own standards. Panty and Stocking is probably the furthest experimentation that anime has gone to in recent years and that is still just a reference to Powerpuff Girls which was popular in Japan. The fact is Japan has created a very unique style in the industry as a whole compared to the rest of the world, which limits its own creative boundaries. If we can plot a graph of design, the graph would have a giant peak at big eyes and cuteness for anime and manga. While the design of western comics and cartoons would be rather spread out.
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I'm not a big advocate on watching a series based on character designs but I do have a lot of qualms in Chiibi's examples.
Looking all pretty and shiny does not make a character's design good. All artists should know this. Characters should have a unique trademark that separates them from other characters. And frankly each era has had its fair share of good and bad designs. I really cringed when you based designs based on the prettiness even though your topic has a point. It's like shoving an artist's work in the face saying "JUST MAKE THEM ALL LOOK PRETTY! DON'T PUT ANY EFFORT IN MAKING THEM LOOK UNIQUE AT ALL". Also drawing pretty characters are relatively easy and don't require that much effort since every part of the design is standard (again all artists should know this). Drawing a character which readers will remember forever is a different thing altogether. Also if you go for prettiness, would that mean that character designs from Kuragehime suck? Or do you prefer the 90132254534634th Ayanami Rei/Yuki Nagato clone? *Disclaimer this is basing it on designs not the show itself.
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2012-03-18, 08:07 | Link #94 |
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Speaking of which I can't differentiate the characters on Clannad since they all look the same.
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and this guy on this blog says so toooooo and he's seen 48 eps lol http://hamsapsukebe.blogspot.com/ Oh wait I read this http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2...clannad-sucks/ Now it makes why I can't differentiate them because they're not meant to be differentiated... because the show is so bland and soft. This blog entry just explains why clannad sucks and it makes sense the animation sucks as well at least in this aspect
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2012-03-18, 09:20 | Link #95 |
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So what? I have said it in the thread, I watch, and we should, the series for their characters, the story it tries to tell and its universe. It mean fuckshit if you go "o noes!!! I cant tell them from each other!! o noes, they have mullets and big eyebrows its ugly and I cant sleep at night because of that.", there is nothing wrong to like one, or the other or the both, as long as you are sold on the three aforementioned elements. I sure remember someone going "I haet Ghost in the Shell SAC! I haet their designs, etc...", his loss, he is missing out a riveting paramilitary political thriller. And what about those who bitch about Takeuchi of Type-Moon? too bad for them, they are left out while the fans enjoy a rich universe.
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2012-03-18, 09:48 | Link #96 |
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I don't really differentiate between what era an anime was made in, and when the style comes from. I judge each anime's style individually.
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If you can't tell apart one character from another then obviously there's something wrong with the designs. I'm not saying you shouldn't watch such series but character designs should still be taken into account.
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2012-03-18, 10:52 | Link #98 |
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The most important thing about character designs is that they have to be pleasing to look at. We're going to be looking at them for an entire series, thus we should like looking at them. I don't like very many 80's anime because I don't like looking at 80's character designs, its hard to enjoy the other elements series when you have to try to ignore how ugly characters look.
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