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Perfect 10 | 42 | 46.15% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 38 | 41.76% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 7.69% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 2.20% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 2.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-09-10, 11:49 | Link #81 |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Storyboard and direction by UTSUMI Hiroko 内海紘子 (not 100% sure of the surname pronunciation, but this is what ANN goes with). She did the same for eps 7 (onsen episode) and 15 (Juumonji case).
She did key animation on Haruhi, the Haruhi movie, Clannad, Lucky Star, and K-On, then moved up to doing direction/storyboarding on K-On2 and Nichijou. The overall director of this show is TAKEMOTO Yasuhiro, who did Full Metal Panic, most of Lucky Star, and the Haruhi movie.
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2012-09-10, 13:04 | Link #82 |
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Very nice episode. Satoshi has an interesting dilemma. He became happy by going neutral, leaving winning and losing behind. I think Satoshi will eventually be happier when he can conquer issues of obsession and not feel the need to run away from it or suppress the feelings. It is a hard lesson for a kid his age to master. He can imagine how different things could be and possibly how much happier he could be. But until Satoshi settles a few things internally, he will keep his "Mayaka problem." Oreki is a good friend who gave Satoshi some space with sending Chitanda off and buying some time. But what struck me is for all of Oreki's Batman mental processing, Satoshi's explanation and/or nature was something Oreki could not fully understand. For a guy that can be given a small piece of a matter and work his way through mazes of questions and doubts, it seems like Satoshi is even a mystery to him. The old Oreki probably could have understood Satoshi better. The captures of certain moments in the episode made me chuckle because I was aware of the quality of what I was watching. But looking at those captures made me appreciate it more after the fact. 10/10 |
2012-09-10, 13:40 | Link #84 |
I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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I can certainly sympathize with Satoshi's decision to just indulge his whim and not try to be the best. (Isn't that a pointless, silly ambition anyway, for almost anyone except a handful of Olympic athletes?)
But I'm not sure I understand why Mayaka scares him. What's he afraid of? Trying to hard to be the best boyfriend ever? Becoming so obsessed with her he turns into a creepy stalker? |
2012-09-10, 13:56 | Link #85 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kobe, Japan
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He's afraid that by becoming serious about her, he'll lapse into his old "try too hard" mode in everything else. She doesn't fit with his "don't give a damn" life model. In a way, it could be interpreted as a sign of his affection for her that he doesn't want to be in a relationship with her if he can't commit himself fully to it.
That said, he's really kidding himself that he can will himself into being something he isn't. Caring isn't something you can turn on and off like a faucet, and he's obviously a person that cares (it leaks out from time to time, like at Kanya Festa). He'll figure that out eventually, but it seems quite fitting that he could be delusional and take the easy way out (avoidance) with Mayaka. Although he's certainly the most self-aware person in the cast, he's still a 16 year-old kid.
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2012-09-10, 15:32 | Link #86 | ||
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2012-09-10, 16:01 | Link #87 |
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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The way it seems to me, Satoshi used to be one of those people who obsesses over everything. We saw the flashback in the arcade, when he was obsessed with winning video games and acted like a complete arse if he lost.
But I think he must have realised that this was bad, and decided to try and reform his character by not allowing himself to get obsessed with things. So now he's worried that if he does start going out with Mayaka, he could get as obsessed with her as he was about other things. He could become a creepy stalker. He could become unpleasantly possessive. An obsessive relationship wouldn't end well for either of them. |
2012-09-10, 16:08 | Link #88 |
Romanticist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Age: 33
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Oh my. It seems that this episode serves as a nice follow-up to the Kanya Festival arc with regards to Satoshi's characterization. In fact, it outright states his personality issues, which the aforementioned arc only alluded to.
It definitely looks like he's given up at this point, which is understandable when faced with insurmountable gaps in talent. This is actually a relatively common thing in society today, so I can more or less get a good idea of the feelings behind his actions. As a means of protecting himself from his own inferiority complex, he basically stopped caring or, as I like to call it, "wallowing in his own mediocrity". This means that the laid back, cheerfully self-deprecating Satoshi we've come to be familiar with was nothing more than an act. It's just his way of coping with a harsh reality. Unfortunately, there are several cracks in the mask he went though all the trouble of making. It would be fine if he was able to integrate the mask into himself completely, but that is not the case here. By his own permission, his competitive nature still remains strong behind his self-handicapping facade as seen in the Kanya Festival arc. Now, this episode presents Mayaka as the biggest threat to Satoshi's mask. Ironically, I'd say that his actions were his way of being nice to Mayaka. It could of course be seen as cruel, but it was what he believed to be the best way of rejecting her feelings without actually doing so. Still, I can't deny that his motivations were ultimately self-serving. After all, pursuing his feelings would mean stepping out his comfort zone, his bubble of self-induced apathy. If you ask me though, I think Satoshi here is remarkably similar to Houtarou back during the earlier episodes. Like Satoshi, Houtarou also protected himself through self-handicapping, alongside adopting a convenient way of looking at things (energy-conservation). However, at a certain point, Houtarou became more confident in himself and has since then managed to take on a healthier way of looking at life. It wasn't easy, but with some prodding from the other characters, he was able to escape his cycle of learned helplessness. On the other hand, it's not as simple as a lack of confidence in Satoshi's case. He is likely to remain inferior for the rest of his life, so the important thing for him now is to simply embrace reality for what it is, which he did by calling Mayaka at the end.
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2012-09-10, 16:22 | Link #89 |
ゴリゴリ!
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
Age: 32
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This is such a stunning episode, with a fantastic use of symbolism and emotional portrayal. From the very beginning everything's set up well.
Fukube from the start never had a solid reason for turning Mayaka's chocolates away in middle school. Even at that point you can tell that he's put up a barrier of sorts- a big one. When Houtarou gripped Chitanda's arm instinctively, it's evident he wanted to protect her from knowing the truth. However, from Chitanda's overly curious nature he had to resort to lying to her to cover it up. All throughout the series it's been shown that Fukube has a "won't lose" nature, but this is the first time they've come out and said it. The bit at the arcade was good, showing that Fukube's matured since then, but something's still tugging at him. There's this forced feeling to how he accepted his defeat, definitely. Mayaka hearing the chocolates were gone was one hell of a powerful scene. Already at this point she knows Fukube's rejected her once again, and the way she tips her head slowly in the dark spot has impact. She even says "it does sting a little, though...", and it would. The best moment though is when Houtarou was nearing the end of his deduction. The instant he broke that chocolate on the table, he smashed up all of Mayaka's work (and symbolically, her own heart), and damn. Even loved how Houtarou had the balls to threaten Fukube for his heartless actions. There's finally the clever bit at the end when Fukube finally calls Mayaka while Houtarou claims his chocolate is bitter. Fantastic use of direction, I loved every moment of it.
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2012-09-10, 19:31 | Link #94 |
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Puyallup, WA
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As always for Hyouka, this episode did a major tug on the heart strings, in multiple directions at once.
Not only did we get to see the fun interactions beween Chintada and Oreki as they continue with their slow and careful relationship dance, we got to see all the loverly fireworks between our two more outgoing club members. As many others have pointed out, the character development in this show is simply top notch. And know for something different, did anybody else catch the mess up in the next episode titles? Normally, at least as far as Hyouka, Mazui's subs have been very good, with Commie running a distant second. I routinely watch both to for the different nuances that they come up with for the same scenes and I have to admit I prefer Mazui's the most. But this time I was surprised by the way both got the preview title wrong. The Japanese itself is Tomawari suru Hina. Tomawari being detour and Hina being doll. Yet Mazui translates it as Chicks on a detour and Commie as Doll in the distance. I have to admit I spent almost 2 hours working on it, but it should be Doll that made a detour. The part that drove me crazy was the Hina. Its a weird version thats part of the kanji for Hina Asobi, the doll festival and none of my books actually have it in it. |
2012-09-10, 20:46 | Link #98 | ||
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"雛" is a double meaning word for both chick and doll, ========== question: during Mayaka's fantasy sequence, she said she will read a book to Satoshi while force feed him chocolate, anyone got the name of the book?
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2012-09-10, 20:49 | Link #99 | |
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