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well..that is something normal in some situations/for some persons(more if we talk about heirs,politics, economic or revenge) Quote:
its true that "the democracy system" is not the panacea, but if is fully applicable with a good core, then it can protect the citizen against tyrants. - at leas till we find a better system (democracy mean that the divine right is bs, prevent a civil war , one person cant rule for more than a few years) if the people are uncultured or corrupt, they deserve their fate, in any case troughs chaos human can learn..so, it a good thing that the people can make a mistake that can be corrected in a few years without a blood bath. Quote:
that is the problem with monarchies,, the divine right is"divine" so...the kou empire is under a structural problem...kouen family were never destined to be the principal family..they can take the throne..yes...but they need to deal with the previous heir.. both can obtain the crow, but they must fight for it (unless one of them choose the exile...and only alibaba can accept this type of destiny...well...alibaba was a son outside the imperial family and his brother are alive ..so its something different) and usually this type of problems are destined to have a bad ending as you can see in the literature, human story, and in the actual society(with the respective changes to our actual life style) mmm i wonder about kouen, if some theories are right...i wonder at what age he obtain astaroth....well..this is for other day. Quote:
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in some case , these treatment are going to "kill" you in a few years..
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2014-10-13, 22:42 | Link #3785 | ||
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2014-10-13, 23:18 | Link #3786 | |
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Hakuryuu killed the evil empress, subjugated the evil organization (for now at least), and took his rightful place in the throne. Did he use less than nice means for it? Yep. You can't really say he did something wrong there though. In fact, given Al-Thamen's goal is world destruction, it can be said he did what was necessary. |
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2014-10-13, 23:54 | Link #3787 | |||
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Yes. Hakyryuu will destroy the world unless he's stopped. That's the typical route for someone who's driven by hatred.
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2014-10-14, 00:00 | Link #3788 | |
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Especially for someone who is pretty nice most of the time. Also, chapter 243 is a flashback, a flashback of him Spoiler:
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2014-10-14, 00:54 | Link #3791 | ||||
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Oh, right, you don't consider conquering other countries to be a bad thing. Well, in that case, what's your beef with Hakuryu? He conquered Kou, that's all.
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And we don't know what Hakuryu's stance on world conquest is... though granted, with Judar at his side, there's little reason to be optimistic. Quote:
Yes, that could spell Kou's end in the long run. But that would be a good thing for the world at large, and I think you underestimate the dangers of having En as a king. |
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hakuryuu is a person that want to kill his mother because she is the responsible of his brother/father dead..and.. she also want to destroy the world.(and his mother want to start wars and rebellion around world) but , at the same time, hakuryuu want to recover his empire for his own selfish desire(his old empire), while kouen want to unify the world under his kingdom for his own selfish desire(his view).. both are doing this for selfish reason and doesn't matter the side , both are going to bring pain to innocent people..even if they want to create/recover something good. so....at the end this depend in our personal view of what should be done, i prefer hakuryuu because he is fighting for his throne and at the same time he is fighting/mental washing al-thamen...a organization that want to burn the world..and he is not in a "one culture" plot Quote:
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"i have to restore the true form of the koue empire " and, he also know that he need to take his mother out of the map to prevent a much bigger rebellion in the future.. Quote:
..and he is not a person with just revenge in his mind....he have a work to do as the heir of his family ideals... seriously..the dude is not a hatred machine...he have his own grudge, but he can think beyond that.. ______________- Quote:
...and this is a little out of place example...because i doubt that a leader is just going to sit(council a.k.a back stabber - economic battles are going to be there..always..)...and more if we are talking about any king in magi(if you want to refer this to kouen.. then no..the dude is in war campaign + he is there because arba have him by his ball for that damn testament...so he is not sitting in a corner.. and he is a little silly to left his county in other hands ) in any case... a coup occur for a reason...they have a problem as their bases...
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2014-10-14, 01:00 | Link #3794 | ||
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Basically everything any of you could find faulty with Kouen, Hakuryuu also has. Now add a revenge streak a mile long, deep personal traumas, a casual disregard for human life, and an enormous sense of entitlement. Hakuryuu is much younger than En. He doesn't have the familial relationships that En has. He doesn't have En's experience or perspective. Last edited by Bogart; 2014-10-14 at 01:11. |
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2014-10-14, 01:25 | Link #3796 | ||
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In a nutshell, if you know you are being manipulated, you can do something about it. That's the kind of relationship Kou had with Al-Thamen. Now they're in a situation where Hakuryuu thinks either he has complete control over them or that they're dead. He thinks he's won and that is more dangerous than simply fighting or resisting them. Quote:
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2014-10-14, 01:45 | Link #3797 | ||
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Concrete example: everyone knows advertising is bullshit. It still works. Concrete Magi example: En should have become emperor at his father's death. He didn't. And you underestimate the danger posed by Al Thamen. They came very close the last time. Letting them have the power of a world conquering empire is a terrible idea. Quote:
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2014-10-14, 02:30 | Link #3798 |
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Why are we actually giving Hakuryuu flak for killing Gyokuen and claiming the throne? I mean, she had to die at some point. If it wasn't Hakuryuu, it would've been Kouen. And it would have been Kouen, the 5th prince of Kou taking the crown.
Also I don't know why, but I need to see how he killed Gyokuen. I have this nasty feeling that she's just hiding or that she set Hakuryuu up. |
2014-10-14, 02:41 | Link #3799 | ||
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yep, i just checked the fan "translation" of 243
and i have to say this: belial: Spoiler for topics and spoilers :
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(so a what if discussion ) kouen is only a "prince/future king" because his father took the power after the former king death ....so he cant be called the 5th prince.... the original imperial family end with Hakuryuu.. in any case, he would be the 2 fake "prince"( after the rebellion plot and Hakuei would be/is the first princess), if the uncle king didn't choose to change in his benefice/advantage the heir line.... and Hakuryuu can claim the throne after killing his mother , because she is the last member of the original family on power( Hakuei is here ...but idk the inner politic/sucession law of kou, but something tell me that the authority must be a male..but arba have quite the power...though the testaments made kouen the future king and arba the "supervisor- helper".).....if kouen kill arba as a distant relative of the imperial family ..the only thing he can obtain is a death sentence Quote:
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2014-10-14, 03:21 | Link #3800 | |
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I personally think the answer is clear. Mind you, the point is kinda moot, since Alibaba will eventually kick his ass either way.
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