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Master_Yoma · 2014-07-11, 21:13

Well that one way to start but got to like that snowmobile escape

Key Board · 2014-07-11, 21:22

Someone said I think these two are closer to Erric Harris and Dylan Klebold... which makes it much less appealing to me

Haruyasha · 2014-07-12, 01:14

Uranium cannot be detonated by being shot with a bullet. Although I'm fairly certain several dozen blogs already pointed this out.

HandofFate · 2014-07-12, 01:16

is eating in the bathroom really a thing for bullied kids, seems very inconvenient.

Cosmic Eagle · 2014-07-12, 01:17

Freaking pretty show

Also....obviously it's too much to expect, but depending on what the show is trying to portray or if the theme of terrorism is being used as an artistic tool to make a certain point, I hope this thread doesn't get hijacked by people with real life political agendas or those who see the world through black and white tinted lenses

SPARTAN 119 · 2014-07-12, 01:22

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Originally Posted by ninryu

I may be in minority, but I personally loath Light. Actually, I really didn't enjoy Death Note that much, probably because the main characters were so goddamn unlikable. So no, fantasy does not make terrorism okay.

While I liked Death Note, I'll agree with you Light is no hero.

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Originally Posted by dniv

Contrarily, killing for a reason isn't necessarily wrong. In a war, when you are fighting an opposing enemy to save many people you love, it is a choice rather than a "wrong."

Also, killing a mass murderer who could potentially kill many people at the push of a button isn't wrong either (from my POV).

It depends on why they are doing this. Their motivations seem deep and interesting. They mentioned something about protecting others... and this is what really got me interested. Protecting others, weakness, overcoming weakness, and desensitivity to death/life. It's certainly mysterious to me.

Nothing is ever black and white. The situation could be much more complex than it initially seems anyway... (e.g. if everyone was going to be killed anyway, and 9 & 12 did this to make others aware of it so they could prevent lots of future deaths somehow...)

TBH: After reading/watching To aru series, I stopped believing that any character couldn't be redeemable to me no matter what they did in the past...

While I agree wholeheartedly that morality is never absolute, I have to say, it would take a lot to make an act such as the ones committed in the first episode seem justifiable. That said, given their statement about growing up "at the institution", this, along with the fact that they have no real name, only a number, suggests they may have either been kidnapped and brainwashed, or else some created using kind of genetic engineering, and are simply pawns of a larger organization whose goals are yet unknown.

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Originally Posted by Haruyasha

Uranium cannot be detonated by being shot with a bullet. Although I'm fairly certain several dozen blogs already pointed this out.

Could it have something to do with the container containing a highly radioactive material? That, or it could be yet another addition to the group of fictional elements known as "The Unobtanium group" (i.e. fictional elements with properties that make them either practically indestructible, extremely dangerous, or both, such as Unobtainium, Vibranium, Tiberium etc).

Gan_HOPE326 · 2014-07-12, 02:09

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Originally Posted by SPARTAN 119

Could it have something to do with the container containing a highly radioactive material? That, or it could be yet another addition to the group of fictional elements known as "The Unobtanium group" (i.e. fictional elements with properties that make them either practically indestructible, extremely dangerous, or both, such as Unobtainium, Vibranium, Tiberium etc).

Well, one would hope this anime should not use such vague plot devices. But the "dirty bomb" fear is definitely something. Plus the container looked like a high pressure tank to me - why else would it be spherical? So whatever's inside, there's probably at least some liquid/gas in high pressure, namely, something that can probably cause a mechanical explosion/rupture. With radioactivity added, of course, it could spray dangerous stuff around, which while not bad as an atomic bomb is still something you don't want to happen.

Irenesharda · 2014-07-12, 02:39

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

is eating in the bathroom really a thing for bullied kids, seems very inconvenient.

I've seen it in other anime. But kids who are loners or bullied in school usually find a place no one goes to be alone and eat. Speaking from experience, I used to do that in elementary and early high school. Not in the bathroom persay, but somewhere where I was alone and wouldn't be bothered.

Fevvers · 2014-07-12, 04:18

That was a solid episode. Direction was very crisp and fluid. Watanabe is really better at doing original pieces versus doing an adaptation (Kids on the Slope's first episode felt quite stilted to me in comparison). Although I think some of the script here could use some tweaking.

So far, I find Lisa the most intriguing (and heck, she looks like Lain!).

Hopefully the rest of the show delivers.

Dop · 2014-07-12, 05:40

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Originally Posted by Haruyasha

Uranium cannot be detonated by being shot with a bullet. Although I'm fairly certain several dozen blogs already pointed this out.

Shooting the container of highly radioactive material (Plutonium is mentioned in a trailer) is going to end up with radioactive material scattered all over the place. Everyone in the room would get a high and very possibly fatal dose, and the whole plant would need to be shut down for cleanup.

That's also why the security guy outside was ordered not to fire. You don't need fission to kill people with nasty radioactive stuff.

That little ball of Plutonium is basically Chekov's Dirty Bomb and liable to show up in the third act. Something like that could make a city centre uninhabitable for years.

A big "Hi" to everyone at the NSA and GCHQ who are reading this thread after it triggered their monitors, by the way.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2014-07-12, 06:10

Watanabe has never failed me. So that’s why before I watch this anime, I was already certain that it’s gonna be a joyride, and what a joyride it is! Topnotch animation and background vistas, fitting BGM and appealing character designs. Similar to Cowboy Bebop, this first episode plunged us right into the action without much context, just character introduction and things going on. The pacing is very good. It doesn’t feel rushed nor dragging. I guess this goes without saying since Watanabe is totally behind this but I’ll say it anyway: totally hooked and definitely will follow this (even if this series’s quality went down as more episodes aired).

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Originally Posted by Dop

A big "Hi" to everyone at the NSA and GCHQ who are reading this thread after it triggered their monitors, by the way.

They really do that?

com_gwp · 2014-07-12, 07:10

^I think they have identification systems that pick up on key words/phrases?

I gotta hand it to Watanabe; Zankyou no Terror really feels like it was engineered to tick every box in its execution. From his cinematography and Mappa's incredible visuals to Yoko Kanno's haunting music, all of these elements represent some of the highest standards you'll find across the industry.

The only thing, and maybe this isn't much of a legit complain right now, is that it does feel as if it is being engineered to get its audience to like it. I don't really get the same kind of passion from Zankyou that Space Dandy seems to have in oodles, nor do I see much of Watanabe's brush strokes in this episode. Maybe (I'm hoping) we'll see more of these personal touches as the story goes on; an impressive staff like this couldn't possibly churn out something average.

Utsuro no Hako · 2014-07-12, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Dop

That little ball of Plutonium is basically Chekov's Dirty Bomb and liable to show up in the third act. Something like that could make a city centre uninhabitable for years.

Which brings up the interesting question -- why is a Japanese nuclear facility shaping plutonium into a sphere? So far as I know, the only use for a sphere of plutonium is the core of a nuclear bomb. We can guess that the facility Nine and Twelve escaped from wasn't an orphanage, so it's quite likely the Japanese government is up to something naughty in this show, but nukes?

cereal_killerxx · 2014-07-12, 12:11

It captivated me.

AmeNoJaku · 2014-07-12, 14:44

Good start, but since the staff hasn't pulled anything close to Cowboy Bebop in the last decade, and airing in the NoitaminA slot, I wouldn't expect anything more than a watchable anime.

Also the redefined real-life terrorism comparisons are rather silly.

Key Board · 2014-07-12, 15:35

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

is eating in the bathroom really a thing for bullied kids, seems very inconvenient.

speaking from personal experience.. yes, and yes

sometimes it's better to not just eat. I found it better to just drink something with lots of calories.

Yu Ominae · 2014-07-12, 22:44

Weird that Kidotai officers would show up. I remember that the NPA made threat assessments with nuclear facilities as a terror target for terrorist or hostile commandos to attack that the SAT needs to be deployed. Not that they can change things.

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

is eating in the bathroom really a thing for bullied kids, seems very inconvenient.

I dunno about eating, but I usually spent some time alone in other places of my school when I was bullied or harassed.

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Originally Posted by Key Board

Someone said I think these two are closer to Erric Harris and Dylan Klebold... which makes it much less appealing to me

From the first episode in terms of the background, it doesn't seem to be the case. They seem to have qualms against those who imprisoned them.

Iron Maw · 2014-07-14, 10:05

That was pretty promising. No idea where this well go since we get much of a direction, but 12 and 9 clearly hint of some purpose for it with mention of institution and all. Whatever the case I'm on board for the time being.

cleo · 2014-07-14, 16:57

What an awesome start. It had me on the edge of my chair nearly the entire ep. I can't wait to learn more about the characters.

ookamigirl · 2014-07-17, 12:39

#2

Spoiler for plot:

2014-07-11, 21:13	Link #61
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Well that one way to start but got to like that snowmobile escape __________________

2014-07-11, 21:22	Link #62
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Someone said I think these two are closer to Erric Harris and Dylan Klebold... which makes it much less appealing to me __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell Last edited by Flower; 2014-07-12 at 15:16. Reason: Deleted portion of post that was deleted above.

2014-07-12, 01:16	Link #64
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	is eating in the bathroom really a thing for bullied kids, seems very inconvenient. __________________ ...

2014-07-12, 01:17	Link #65
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Freaking pretty show Also....obviously it's too much to expect, but depending on what the show is trying to portray or if the theme of terrorism is being used as an artistic tool to make a certain point, I hope this thread doesn't get hijacked by people with real life political agendas or those who see the world through black and white tinted lenses __________________

2014-07-12, 14:44	Link #75
AmeNoJaku Franco's Phalanx is next! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Little England, Europe and Asia	Good start, but since the staff hasn't pulled anything close to Cowboy Bebop in the last decade, and airing in the NoitaminA slot, I wouldn't expect anything more than a watchable anime. Also the redefined real-life terrorism comparisons are rather silly. __________________

2014-07-12, 01:14	Link #63
Haruyasha 名前は？ Scanlator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Washington Age: 35	Uranium cannot be detonated by being shot with a bullet. Although I'm fairly certain several dozen blogs already pointed this out.

2014-07-12, 04:18	Link #69
Fevvers a regular van veen Join Date: Feb 2007	That was a solid episode. Direction was very crisp and fluid. Watanabe is really better at doing original pieces versus doing an adaptation (Kids on the Slope's first episode felt quite stilted to me in comparison). Although I think some of the script here could use some tweaking. So far, I find Lisa the most intriguing (and heck, she looks like Lain!). Hopefully the rest of the show delivers.

2014-07-12, 07:10	Link #72
com_gwp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	^I think they have identification systems that pick up on key words/phrases? I gotta hand it to Watanabe; Zankyou no Terror really feels like it was engineered to tick every box in its execution. From his cinematography and Mappa's incredible visuals to Yoko Kanno's haunting music, all of these elements represent some of the highest standards you'll find across the industry. The only thing, and maybe this isn't much of a legit complain right now, is that it does feel as if it is being engineered to get its audience to like it. I don't really get the same kind of passion from Zankyou that Space Dandy seems to have in oodles, nor do I see much of Watanabe's brush strokes in this episode. Maybe (I'm hoping) we'll see more of these personal touches as the story goes on; an impressive staff like this couldn't possibly churn out something average.

2014-07-12, 12:11	Link #74
cereal_killerxx Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007	It captivated me.

2014-07-14, 10:05	Link #78
Iron Maw Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	ep 1 That was pretty promising. No idea where this well go since we get much of a direction, but 12 and 9 clearly hint of some purpose for it with mention of institution and all. Whatever the case I'm on board for the time being.

2014-07-14, 16:57	Link #79
cleo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amsterdam	What an awesome start. It had me on the edge of my chair nearly the entire ep. I can't wait to learn more about the characters.

2014-07-17, 12:39	Link #80
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	#2 Spoiler for plot: The aftermath. Not a pretty sight.. Wonder what their motives are. Lisa's life isn't a nice one. She might have gotten herself in over her head. Looks like the duo has just begun.. They sure know how to tick off the authorities. It was interesting watching the police think. That basement guy shows the intellect needed to stop the duo. Good episode. __________________ My Blog --> ookami