(L+CR) Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu

[Random Wanderer]

A decent first episode. There were a few parts from the manga adaptation that I think would have been good to have here, but for the most part I like it. Celes' face looks a bit off to me, and similarly

Spoiler:

Edelgart's

design doesn't seem quite right, but it's not bad.

the elf is annoying and needs to be left behind somewhere (but she won't)

Sera's a good girl! A little stupid, but still a good person.

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

dunno why, but those large ears kinda bother me
maybe they are just....too big?

On Sera? For some reason that's the way Japanese authors and artists think Elves should look. None of this mild curving to a point that you see in Lord of the Rings or whatever: no, Elves have to practically have a pair of sails stuck to the sides of their heads.

[Lukes YGO & WS on YT]

Spoiler for Episode 1 Comments/Feedback:

I have watched a number of anime's in the last 5+ years or so where the player(s) get transported into the game they are playing, I think I have enjoyed them all so far, now to see how this one goes.

How am I supposed to talk to girls? The greatest challenge that faces any shut in lol.

That was some rather funny torture to watch.

EXPLOSION!

Pretty good start to start show, I enjoyed it, looking forward to watching the next episode.

[Itlandm]

So this is the successor to Smartphone and Death March? I rather like this genre, but didn't buy the books because they seem too heavy on the ecchi, which usually means they're papering over a lack of plot, character and humor. Still, the main character does have some potential if they can keep him in character and maybe sneak in some character development. Overlord or Log Horizon it is not, though.

[FlareKnight]

Spoiler for Ep1:

You know what...that was ok. At the very least I had some laughs and enjoyed it as a whole. Certainly another one of those with a very overpowered main character. But unlike say Smartphone this guy actually has a personality and human motivations . As a whole I like the guy. Social anxiety and difficulty communicating without effectively roleplaying is pretty predictable of an issue, but it works alright. Diablo has a freaking heart, does feel bad for the situation Rem is dealing with. But he's also smart enough to realize that a secret as major as the one she's keeping is something he's better off finding out about now than whenever things go poorly....

I am curious what Shera has going on. For her to be part of this main trio there's got to be a major issue motivating her. I did find it fairly amusing that she basically just turned to her meal rather than interfering in the 'interrogation' . Kind of a jerk move but has logic to it. With those collars not much they can do against Diablos so....no point walking into the firing lines there .

Rem's situation is one that works on an emotional level. She and her ancestors likely being put into constant protection and likely encouraged to marry/have children so the Demon Lord remains sealed. They die before that point....and a disaster will be unleashed that it doesn't seem the people there have a chance of taking care of.

While Rem's situation is pretty serious, the tone overall isn't too bleak. The MC hasn't really had time to process his situation, but it's not too bad. He's not stuck in a terrible body and his mind is clear. And I can buy him sticking with these girls initially because...being on your own in a place you just got transported to would be unnerving. Likely would just stick to the first people you met anyways.

[pervypig]

I nearly turned off the show when I watched the part where the slave collars appeared on the girls - no hold a sec, I'm no militant moral-feminist-normie-prud, but isn't this kinda development so done to the death in harem genres already? Luckily, the next second had the characters behaving more normally.

I think the MC here is more like a spoof of Overlord - you want other-world transportation as the bad guy? Here you go! You want OP? Right up! And we're serving it without all the disgusting looking minions (cos you're a lame-ass loner, lol), with all the fanservice (cos your a lame-ass fapper, lol), and into the actual game-world you're familiar with (cos if you are really moved into another world you don't know shit about, you'd crying for mama, lol).

[ID555]

I'd refrained from reading the translated web novels (thank you translators) because I heard it was dumb.

But it seems this adaptation has embraced the dumbness and doesn't take itself seriously; I really enjoyed the main character who keeps talking in his head and putting on a front.

[Greenish Growth]

The fire lizard in the anime was larger that I thought it would be.

Well...it was more impressive being that size.

[zztop]

According to Japanese Wikipedia, Isekai Maou will only be 12 episodes long.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%95...AD%94%E8%A1%93

There'll only be 3 Blurays, each with 4 eps.

Release dates are:

Vol 1 - Sept 28, 2018
Vol 2 - November 30, 2018
Vol 3 - January 25, 2019

Also, author's thoughts on Isekai Maou's creation from Vol 9's afterwords:

(Isekai Maou's creation)...started from idle talk with (LN illustrator)Tsurusaki (Takahiro)-sensei. In those days, there were few demi-human heroines in light novels, and that isekai things had to be internet (published) works──those kinds of opinions were there.

Actually, we were shown disapproval at several editorial departments but……(my current editor) Shouji-san of Kodansha Lightnovel Bunko had said 「This looks interesting! Let’s do it!」 and cheerfully accepted it, causing it to be published.

As a result──the maker’s side received a surprising response, and when Fukuda (Naoto)-sensei’s comicalization (of Isekai Maou) started, its momentum became even stronger.
And now, we finally arrive at it becoming an anime. Since that was my objective since before I became a writer, I am really happy. Since I will be doing my best from now on as well, you have my best regards.

https://isekaicyborg.wordpress.com/i...vol9afterword/

[Tenzen12]

Slavery is big no for me in novels, but.. when it happen by accident and MC is dork who can't even take adventage nor want to, it's pretty fun development. This more like parody on subgenre though I suspect it actuallly came before slave heroines were cool?

Either way this dumb in funny way, Definitely right way to do OP character

[moridin84]

I'm pretty happy with this adaption. It seemed a bit quick but it's better than the slow first episode of Death March. Nothing important was skipped anyway.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Slavery is big no for me in novels, but.. when it happen by accident and MC is dork who can't even take adventage nor want to, it's pretty fun development. This more like parody on subgenre though I suspect it actuallly came before slave heroines were cool?

Either way this dumb in funny way, Definitely right way to do OP character

For me it's a matter of how it's applied. I'll read just about anything (won't necessarily buy anything), but my consideration is that slavery, like almost anything else, can be done well or poorly. One story I've seen looked pragmatically at the system and its non-humanitarian disadvantages, as well as the difficulty in dismantling such a system without destroying the economy. Another had a girl wish to remain a slave on account of her beloved's inability to trust anyone with the power to lie or betray. Some establish "slavery" as a temporary indentured servitude that's only allowed when voluntary or as criminal punishment. This one's humorous application, with the girls accidentally becoming slaves while trying to enslave him, the guy's inability to do anything, and the girls' constant insistence that, in spite of the collars, he is their slave, is rather entertaining.

On a different note, the opening was rather entertaining and really exaggerated the situation. In the novel, Diablo was able to read the challengers' equipment and found a ring that had no effects and served no purpose except to identify the wearer as their partner's "spouse". Big difference from the heart-motif outfits and ridiculous names. Makes a lot more sense to want to annihilate someone who goes that over the top with the cheese than someone who just wore a stupid ring.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

For me it's a matter of how it's applied. I'll read just about anything (won't necessarily buy anything), but my consideration is that slavery, like almost anything else, can be done well or poorly. One story I've seen looked pragmatically at the system and its non-humanitarian disadvantages, as well as the difficulty in dismantling such a system without destroying the economy. Another had a girl wish to remain a slave on account of her beloved's inability to trust anyone with the power to lie or betray. Some establish "slavery" as a temporary indentured servitude that's only allowed when voluntary or as criminal punishment. This one's humorous application, with the girls accidentally becoming slaves while trying to enslave him, the guy's inability to do anything, and the girls' constant insistence that, in spite of the collars, he is their slave, is rather entertaining.

On a different note, the opening was rather entertaining and really exaggerated the situation. In the novel, Diablo was able to read the challengers' equipment and found a ring that had no effects and served no purpose except to identify the wearer as their partner's "spouse". Big difference from the heart-motif outfits and ridiculous names. Makes a lot more sense to want to annihilate someone who goes that over the top with the cheese than someone who just wore a stupid ring.

Temporary slavery because dept or as punishment for crime is ok with me. I am also fine with "unfair" slavery as concept in isekai. We had it here it can stil exist in other world. What I do not endorse is using ownership as base for "romantic" or any other kind of relationship, even less if girls (or guys) in question worship their "owner".

Actually even if protagonist doesn't fight blatantly against system, it still possible simply not support it by buying one.

This is why I for example like Kujonin (Exterminator), where MC occassionally find himself owning slave (not really his fault) for various reasons. So he has them work for him for while, and of first opportunity he find them job, school or in one occassion even marriage partner, give them "cellphone " as parting gift and go his way. I think that's pretty healthy attitude for someone comming from social conditions of our world and that it would be nice having more MC would don't readily buy other people as if it was loaf of bread...

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Temporary slavery because dept or as punishment for crime is ok with me. I am also fine with "unfair" slavery as concept in isekai. We had it here it can stil exist in other world. What I do not endorse is using ownership as base for "romantic" or any other kind of relationship, even less if girls (or guys) in question worship their "owner".

Actually even if protagonist doesn't fight blatantly against system, it still possible simply not support it by buying one.

This is why I for example like Kujonin (Exterminator), where MC occassionally find himself owning slave (not really his fault) for various reasons. So he has them work for him for while, and of first opportunity he find them job, school or in one occassion even marriage partner, give them "cellphone " as parting gift and go his way. I think that's pretty healthy attitude for someone comming from social conditions of our world and that it would be nice having more MC would don't readily buy other people as if it was loaf of bread...

I'd say prolonged slavery with a building romance or otherwise positive relationship can work in some situations. Not if the slave is in any way forced to fall in love or forced to do things, but in certain circumstances I've seen it work. Just look at Shield Hero, which has a very interesting look at slavery. It doesn't treat slavery as necessary or good, but it does make it into something better than freedom in the initial state of the kingdom (you can kill a beast-person, but you can't kill someone's property) and also makes the enslavement into something the enslaved heroine treasures on account of the fact that her master is so broken he can't trust anyone who can betray him.

This is actually part of why I like Isekai series: they can manipulate worlds into states where things we'd consider strange or immoral may be necessary or positive, which then can provide a deeper look into the issues. Looking at ways in which a different world and society can make slavery or polygamy or other things work as a positive thing can help bring a different look at the matters, perhaps showing how messed up things would have to be to make it a good thing, or by eliminating realistically inescapable factors to make them good bringing attention to those points.

[Tenzen12]

I don't really agree with that. Sure by being slave you might get warm food (if you hit jackpot with master, if not you can get tortured on daily basis) every day and avoid being killed or mistreated (again if you hit jackpot with your master), but it doesn't make it moral thing, just lesser of two evils (which can indeed make good story, but still doesn't make it good thing).

Putting polygami and slavery same is fundamentally wrong. I do think that chance for working polygamous relationship are abysmall and not really worth effort, but it's still it's still matter of choice, for everyone involved. Slavery (not greece or jew styled) in other hand take away value of "being person" and make one "thing". There might be worlds that considered it common place and don't see it as wrong, but modern definition of slavery (which is usualy applied on isekai worlds) will never be good or moral.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I don't really agree with that. Sure by being slave you might get warm food (if you hit jackpot with master, if not you can get tortured on daily basis) every day and avoid being killed or mistreated (again if you hit jackpot with your master), but it doesn't make it moral thing, just lesser of two evils (which can indeed make good story, but still doesn't make it good thing).

Putting polygami and slavery same is fundamentally wrong. I do think that chance for working polygamous relationship are abysmall and not really worth effort, but it's still it's still matter of choice, for everyone involved. Slavery (not greece or jew styled) in other hand take away value of "being person" and make one "thing". There might be worlds that considered it common place and don't see it as wrong, but modern definition of slavery (which is usualy applied on isekai worlds) will never be good or moral.

I wasn't trying to equate the two. I was just saying that there are a variety of subjects, ranging from polygamy to slavery among others, that were interesting to examine through the eyes of a hugely different culture with hugely different circumstances. If you really work hard at it and examine it, many things from the questionable to the immoral to the abominable can be made necessary or "lesser of two evils", and examining such things is, at least for me, entertaining. Also, one benefit defined in many of these fantasies is that the spells/devices that force slaves to obey also ensure that illegalized abuses are recorded and used against masters who would try to violate them.

And yeah, with Shield Hero it's not treated as "good". The hero takes the girl as a slave because he's hit rock bottom, can't find anyone who will fight with him, and can't fight for himself (Shield only has defense power). The girl wishes to remain a slave because at the time the hero couldn't trust her otherwise. The only way it's possibly defined as "good" to buy a slave is because a slave in the hands of someone who doesn't treat them as a slave is going to be much better off than most (heroine knows this firsthand), and because the kingdom's gotten so corrupt that a free beast-person can be killed without punishment.

[Wandering Soul]

The slavery angle had me raising my eyebrow, but if it's handled the way it has so far, then I can accept it as part of the comedy.

[Anh_Minh]

Yeah, of all the ways to handle isekai slavery, it's not so bad. There's a lot worse out there.

[Itlandm]

Shield Hero was more of a tragedy, at least as far as I kept reading. It reminds me a bit of Grimgar, if anything. While this is a comedy, fitting into and perhaps subverting the wish fulfillment isekai tradition that I associate with Smartphone and more lately Death March. So it stands to reason that the two series handle slavery very differently. So far this story does not have the necessary weight to handle such issues seriously. Maybe later, but I am not getting my hopes up here.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Itlandm

Shield Hero was more of a tragedy, at least as far as I kept reading. It reminds me a bit of Grimgar, if anything. While this is a comedy, fitting into and perhaps subverting the wish fulfillment isekai tradition that I associate with Smartphone and more lately Death March. So it stands to reason that the two series handle slavery very differently. So far this story does not have the necessary weight to handle such issues seriously. Maybe later, but I am not getting my hopes up here.

Should read further. I believe it gets better eventually.

[DracoS]

That.. that was acturly quite funny. I thought this was going to be bland and boring, but the characters have *gasp* character!