2011-04-13, 13:28 | Link #1121 | |
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It is much more of an issue that you misunderstand important plot points when you can't even understand the words. "numb" and "dense" mean completely different things, leading to different conclusions what Michael was talking about.
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2011-04-13, 17:11 | Link #1122 |
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magnus, calm down, please. This may be an English language forum, but there are second-language users who don't know English as well as you do. Father Hentai's asking you to be understanding about that.
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I think even without misunderstanding the sky writing Rankas heart, she would still want to confess because she wants to know how Alto is thinking. So the scenario may still be the same that she runs the stairs and would see Alto and Sheryl on the roof. The only difference may be that she would not refuse like a spoiled child but the main question remains open: Why should she sing if the one she loves does not reflect her love.
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Hate and love are never deserved. They just are. I'm a Ranka fan myself but I don't see a need to force people to like every single character. Why do you? Quote:
Btw loved the "Learn better understanding" quip from FH. Somewhere far off, maggie is cursing google translate as we speak. Oh irony. Last edited by erfine; 2011-04-13 at 23:57. |
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2011-04-14, 00:22 | Link #1125 |
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Before Mags comes back with his retort, how about we drop this now. All of it. The constant carping about how Ranka should've done this, Alto couldn've done that is getting annoying since it keeps going in circles!
I forget what episode we're supposed to be on, but as a blatant hint, how about reviewing the episode thread and see if whatever topic is going on here hasn't been discussed to death already. |
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Although the particular discussion of the last page should have been done two three ago, when episode 19 was actually being discussed. ^^
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2011-04-14, 01:16 | Link #1127 | ||
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Oh, and I'm actually NOT a Ranka fan. I just think that some of us here take the hate a little too far. Quote:
@ CrowKenobi, apologies if you think this is unnecessary, but I just felt a little insulted by erfine's comments.
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But in this specific case where FH tried to tell me that Michael said something and then very specifically pointed to a particular line from a particular sub, which I own, I felt it in my right to point out when he got one crucial word completely wrong, from the exact quote to the meaning of the word.
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2011-04-14, 01:47 | Link #1129 |
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Apologies m(_ _ )m. Would "negativity" work better? You have been pretty nice in the discussion until the last few post or so - and I do think picking that misquote out was warranted - but the tone just reminded me of another comment re: FH's grammar that you made earlier in the thread, one which I think was a little unnecessary (even given the circumstances).
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2011-04-14, 05:10 | Link #1130 |
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Guys and ladies, can we put this grammar or vocabulary issues asside? I already said that I will take the notes to improve my errors as a grammar whore. Yes, I am not making a secret out of it but I learned my English from speaking (75% through speaking with U.S. Philipinos in Germany) and some habits won't be removed by the English I learned in school. If I don't know the exact word I improve and use the word next. This may be slight or far different from the exact meaning. In Michels case I was wrong. That being said let's put this aside now.
Going back to the topic related discussions. The negative comments starts to go up after Gallia IV. It starts with the opinions about the love triangle and ends with the opinions about (not) responsibility in the role of the Songstress of Hope. It repeats in some discussions e.g. Ranka is a big topic. As going for Alto I don't think this was discussed in detail as we are doing it right now. But it's a neverending story as well.
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2011-04-14, 08:27 | Link #1131 | |
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So far I haven't seen anyone here express out and out hatred for the character, disappointment yes, but not hatred. While hatred can stem from disappointment , that is not always the case, at least not what I've seen so far in this forum. If you really want to see some Ranka hate stemmed from disappointment I would suggest another forum. On that same note even if you do post Kawamori and Yoshino's feelings on how they view the character it won't change how other viewers feel about her, or how they viewed her behavior, simply because to be blunt and I mean no disrespect but not everyone cares about what they thought about her. This is not just true to Macross but also to every other anime as well, (ex: Gundam Seed, the SDF Macross). To a creator a character might come across a different way because well their perspective on the character is different, because they're the ones writing the show and therefore they would personal head canon and in depth thoughts on a character that they might choose to not convey or fail to properly convey in their work. There is simply no guarantee that the way a creator wants their character to come across is the way that the audience will view them. You can't just say the audience is wrong for holding their opinion separate from the creator, because their difference might just be the fault of the creators for not properly depicting the character. I'm sorry CrowKenobi for kinda going off topic but this does kinda have something to do with not only this episode but the series in general. |
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I might be tempted to try and understand why something was done the way it was, but not often would I change an opinion based on a previously undisclosed intention that was not clearly or subtly shown in the work itself, if I didn't gleam it simply from watching/reading it. Regarding Ranka, I do think she was courageous up to a point, doing what she did this last episode. In hindsight, she could have handled it better - and that's the whole point of contention for most people here, I'd guess. It is for me, anyway. As for Alto being indecisive... I just don't see it. If the creators wanted to express that trait, in my own humble opinion, they failed miserably.
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Well, he was decisive enough in the movies, from what I gather, so are there any complaints about the opposite, there?
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Even though movie Alto is basically almost exactly like tv series Alto. |
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2011-04-14, 10:23 | Link #1138 |
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Yeah, going by the first movie I didn't really see all that much difference in his characterization - I mean, he reacted almost as hotly to the suspicion of Sheryl being a spy as he did to Ranka's offer, here.
Okay, he didn't pull a gun on her, but... you see my point, right?
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2011-04-14, 11:54 | Link #1139 | |
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As for the writers, here the question becomes why they view some characters so differently then us ( or I ) do. That'd be in the case of Alto. In the case of Ranka, I never saw any conclusive statements by Yoshino or Kawamori on how successfull they viewed her as a character or if they intended her downfall in the latter episodes or why they let her fall.
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2011-04-14, 16:57 | Link #1140 | |
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@ wisteria
Just so you know, I'm not trying to change what anyone here thinks of Ranka. I was just expressing my own opinion that I can understand why she left at that point, just as you all express your own opinions that whatever she said wasn't a good enough reason. And I don't fault people for holding opinions different from the creators (I was only noting that theirs were different) - I don't like Ranka as much as they seem to do, after all. But here on AS, with anything positive being said on Ranka getting shot down/argued down asap, it sometimes feels like nothing is valid except the reading that "Ranka had no valid reason to leave, she made all the wrong decisions, she really regressed as a character" etc etc. If you're allowed to hold your own opinions, are the rest of us not allowed our own interpretations too? That said, I'd like to find something more concrete about what Kawamori et al wanted to do with the characters, as that might help me put things in perspective wrt them. Quote:
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