2004-02-02, 17:16 | Link #22 |
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I'm not a fan of tokyo mew mew, but I hate to see any series get treated in the manner 4kids treats them. If 4kids gets a series there is no chance of an uneditted subbed version ever being released in the US.
While online petitions doen't work, offline petitions, if large enough, do. I suggest everyone who wants an uneditted version write an actual letter to 4kids to attempt to persade them that there is a market for it. If anyone does write, make sure the letter is not insulting, and merely states that anime series have a broader potential audience in the US then just the target demographic. If they get enough polite letters telling them they could make more money with an uneditted version, they may release it.
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2004-02-02, 17:29 | Link #23 |
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You can write all the letters and emails you want 4kids will never subb anime. Funimation has practically begged them to let them release sub titled ver of their stuff and 4kids said no. They just are'nt interested in real anime fans. Never have been never will be.
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2004-02-02, 19:13 | Link #24 |
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Yea, but if enough fans make a big enough stink, it will show the rest of the industry there's an interest. Hey, we finally got Sailor Mono subtitled, right? Of course, by the time THAT happened the interest in the title was gone...I HATE 4KIDS!
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2004-02-02, 20:02 | Link #26 |
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My point was that making the stink in the first place can make a difference, as opposed to not doing anything, as several people in the thread were saying. Hell, look at Funimation - they reformed themselves from "The Other Dimension" people into a legitimate anime company that doesn't butcher their titles. Stranger things have happened - I still remember when it was thought to be impossible for Sailormoon S to come over.
I doubt that anyone else can just up and subtitle Tokyo Mew Mew, even if 4Kids is releasing it under a different title. They've still got the English language rights, and that most likely included the subtitled rights so that they wouldn't have to compete with someone else's uncut sub release. I wish the Japanese licensors cared more about what's happening to their titles, but clearly not since this keeps repeating itself. |
2004-02-02, 20:11 | Link #27 |
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Do I have to keep saying this?
Why do you keep getting angry? 4Kids, so far, have four major properties that people give two shits about. These being 1. Pokemon 2. Yu Gi Oh 3. Shaman King 4. Tokyo/Hollywood Mew-Mew Now, lets first look at Pokemon and Yugioh Pokemon and Yu Gi Oh were ported to America, by the very wishes of it's parental Japanese companies, to be advertisements for Paraphenalia and merchandising (clothes, cards, games, stickers, hats, toys etc). None received an accurate Manga translation beforehand (Pokemon still doesn't). None had a "fanbase" until DBZOA/anti groups needed something else to hate when they "realised FUNi didn't care (except that well, they'll still claim they changed them). " Pokemon and YugiOh have also recieved DVD treatment, and did not have any large fansub buzz around them prior to being Localized. Shaman King and Tokyo Mew Mew however, are not obvious toy commercials. They HAVE received a "proper" Manga translation and release, Shaman King infact has appeared in Shonen Jump. All were fansubbed before licensed and downloaded on a regular basis. Thus forth, they have an ACTUAL FANBASE and not just a bunch of anti-censorship whingers who want someone to blame for everything that's ever gone wrong for them. If you write a letter, please observe FIVE IMPORTANT POINTS- 1. Please use proper spelling and Grammar. Don't write confoundedly long annoying blocks of words, ala Asaqe. 2. Please do NOT harass them. You will only come off as a rude, smart-ass kid, and won't get listened to. 3. Avoid mentioning what they have done (yu gi oh), what they have (shaman king), or what they might be interested in (naruto SHUT UP), and also their quality of dubbing and releases. Just ASK for an uncut alternative. Do not comment on how big the market is, because you will once again come off as a smart-ass kid who's insulting their intelligence. 4. WRITE A LETTER. I couldn't stress this more, but really, what's gonna seem more like commitment, a 5 second email, or an actually planned, thought out letter? 5. ONLY COMPLAIN IF YOU HAVE INTENTIONS ON BUYING THIS. If you complain, and they do put out a subtitled version, and the sales are paticularly low and lackluster, don't expect them to do the same for the rest of the series that they will aqquire. Yep |
2004-02-02, 20:19 | Link #28 |
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These are good tips, Tabiree. I've supported subbed releases for ages, and was one of those five or so people who bought/are still buying the CCS and Sailormoon subs.
I'll try to look up a mailing address for 4Kids, unless someone else beats me to it. Edit: Found one: 4Kids Entertainment, Inc. 1414 Avenue of the Americas New York City, NY 10019 |
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2004-02-02, 21:43 | Link #31 | |
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Christ! If you want to do something about uncut, subbed DVDs, then DO SOMETHING THAT COUNTS, NOT JUST RANT ON MESSAGEBOARDS. |
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2004-02-03, 15:22 | Link #34 |
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Why do many of the good shoujo shows get 'mutilated'?
And what the hell is wrong about Tokyo Mew Mew being based in "Tokyo"?? Why the need for a Hollywood version??? Oh well. I heard that TOKYOPOP's rendition of Tokyo Mew Mew manga is quite good. At the very least I won't expect them to change the title to Hollywood Mew Mew anytime soon, unless 'TOKYO'POP became 'HOLLY'POP. Sorry that was lame, but you get the point. I'll read the manga instead. |
2004-02-03, 15:56 | Link #35 |
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I see it like that. Liscenced anime are doomed! well not that funny..
Especialy those by 4kids I mean... the name say so, It is for kids once they bought it they modify the Japan culture into American culture so that all the respectable parent out there think their kids are in security wile they dont fucking care about the anime wile looking for porn on the internet.. ^^ I wasent a very big fan of this show also. But like Kamui4356 said liscence should mean commercialised for sales not entirely modified for the violent but anti-sexuality educational american tv for kids (cartoon Network) Kids ! wanna know about sex!?!? whats that?? Since you cant count on the kids network see Discovery Chanel for further explaination.
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And you're a dick. 99% of the time when an Anime is licensed for american release, it's being bought over to satisfy an Anime Fanbase, hence it's usually sold uncut and bilingual (or at very least sub only). And Tokyo Mew Mew is being bought over onto FoxBox, not Cartoon Netowrk which is trying it's hardest to push the acceptability of not only censorship, but of overly concerned parents awareness and understanding of what can go into an animated show. Quote:
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2004-02-03, 19:21 | Link #38 |
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I am not really a big fan of this specific show, more of mahou shoujo in general. The show's fans are entitled to be upset, and I know also that some people posting here know what happened with Sailor Moon and "Card Captors." What I want to say is that there are two different markets for mahou shoujo; one group is a "cult" comprised of a segment of anime fans and the other is young girls who will potentially want to see broadcasts.
I think that trying to get American girls to watch this kind of show is a waste of time; not many of them read manga and so on (though this may change); the culture is not the same at all. We don't even have all the related toys and stuff to sell to the girls who like the show (not that I care if they buy that stuff, but it is strong cross-marketing support that is not available). Cutting up the shows for broadcast is inevitable and just demonstrates that the market is not there at this time. The "cult" will get what it wants regardless. Fansub groups sub these shows because they themselves have an interest. They create new interest and satisfy the cravings of the old-timers. Regardless of American broadcast versions and so on, the shows are available in some uncut form up to and including unedited release on home media. This was true in the case of Sailor Moon; it was always possible to get ahold of unedited fansubbed material (prior to the release of "Uncut") because people felt that it consituted an authentically different product from the show as broadcast. IMO fansub groups should not be categorically labelled "obsolete" now or in future due to cases like this where even licensing and broadcasting a show does not meet the needs of anime fans. Last edited by babbito2k; 2004-02-14 at 23:34. |
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edit: I was wondering where I had heard this before. Jeez, you could at least address what I wrote instead of recycling old posts. Last edited by babbito2k; 2004-02-04 at 01:10. |
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