Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[takai]

I had a hunch that the higher ups knew something about the Hideaze being former humans.

I'm interested to hear the story of how the pirate chick met up with these people. She doesn't really seem like the type to follow the rules some religious group, she could be plotting something to destroy both them and the Gargantia.

I'm really looking forward to this climax.

[TimeSkip]

Originally Posted by takai

I had a hunch that the higher ups knew something about the Hideaze being former humans.

I'm interested to hear the story of how the pirate chick met up with these people. She doesn't really seem like the type to follow the rules some religious group, she could be plotting something to destroy both them and the Gargantia.

I'm really looking forward to this climax.

well, if she were planning to kill all these people, she'd be a stupid pirate. Who'd she get the loot from after they're all dead?

[takai]

Originally Posted by TimeSkip

well, if she were planning to kill all these people, she'd be a stupid pirate. Who'd she get the loot from after they're all dead?

Why not take both ships and have a massive fleet? Plus, if everyone is dead, wouldn't it be easier to loot all of the ships? C'mon now.

But she obviously knows that she can't beat Ledo or his Colonel's mechs. So where she goes from here, it's hard to tell.

[GreyZone]

If the "pirate queen" actually really stays a villain till the end, then I can imagine her goal being something like "getting Striker under her control".

[takai]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

If the "pirate queen" actually really stays a villain till the end, then I can imagine her goal being something like "getting Striker under her control".

She just doesn't seem like the following type to me. She may just want to be on the "winning" side for now, until opportunity presents itself to do something else.

[Anh_Minh]

She's probably not been left with a lot of options. Follow or die.

So, yeah, she's bidding her time. Because she isn't suicidal.

[Jan-Poo]

She definitely has something in mind though I don't think she's such a villain to wish everyone dead, and I cannot fathom what she can possibly plan to do against Striker but I guess Pinion is involved somehow.

That being said she also had a "brilliant" plan to defeat Chamber and that failed miserably. Did she learn the lesson?

[SagaraSouske]

Prob after Pinion learn much of the weapon tech, have him secretly design a weapon for her lobster mech that is crude but effective, at least in helping Chamber win.

[takai]

Should just be Ledo harem ending with Amy, her two friends, Bellows, the glasses chick, and the pirate queen. Would get an immediate 10 from me.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by takai

Should just be Ledo harem ending with Amy, her two friends, Bellows, the glasses chick, and the pirate queen. Would get an immediate 10 from me.

No! Just No! I will not stand for such blasphemy! Ledo and Amy are to be bound together in a happy ending with babies!

[jeroz]

exercising that reproduction rights to the full potential

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by takai

Should just be Ledo harem ending with Amy, her two friends, Bellows, the glasses chick, and the pirate queen. Would get an immediate 10 from me.

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

No! Just No! I will not stand for such blasphemy! Ledo and Amy are to be bound together in a happy ending with babies!

Originally Posted by jeroz

exercising that reproduction rights to the full potential

This just made my day

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by takai

Why not take both ships and have a massive fleet? Plus, if everyone is dead, wouldn't it be easier to loot all of the ships? C'mon now.

But she obviously knows that she can't beat Ledo or his Colonel's mechs. So where she goes from here, it's hard to tell.

To who will she sells them if they're all dead?

[takai]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

To who will she sells them if they're all dead?

You do realize there's more than just this fleet right? They've said this multiple times.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by takai

You do realize there's more than just this fleet right? They've said this multiple times.

So they're not included if anything will go wrong? I thought the problem would be a world wide extent..

[GoldenLand]

Originally Posted by Runa

That epidemic disease kugel mention about, why i can't stop thinking that he's now in a state evolving to become hideauze... that's why he can't show himself to public now.

That's one thing I was considering while watching the episode, that Kugel could be infected with a becoming-a-Hideauze disease. That might explain why he would be maintaining radio silence, because what would happen to him if he had to return to the Galactic Alliance? He couldn't possibly return to them. His best possible situation would be if Ledo's distress signal received no replies and they thought they could never return.

On the other hand, if he did get that sort of disease, Striker might already have killed him because of it. But it makes more sense for radio silence to be maintained if he's alive.

However...let's say he's alive and has a non-Hideauze disease. It might be very bad news for Kugel, disabled, to return to the Alliance anyway.

[Gravitas Free Zone]

There is still quite a bit of irony in Kugel potentially keeping himself alive despite conditions that in his usual circumstances might result in his being spaced. Needs of the moment and all that...

He's got a bit of depth, though, just because of the one moment in the first episode where he violated orders to stay behind (after Ledo violated orders to stay behind).

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

There is still quite a bit of irony in Kugel potentially keeping himself alive despite conditions that in his usual circumstances might result in his being spaced. Needs of the moment and all that...

He's got a bit of depth, though, just because of the one moment in the first episode where he violated orders to stay behind (after Ledo violated orders to stay behind).

Nah the GA still kept Ledo's brother alive for years before disposing of him. Even giving him a breather.

It goes back to Striker's definition of happiness. To the GA happiness is utilitarian in nature. They made use of Ledo's brother before he was killed.

I think Striker may be malfunctioning. Chamber may be learning the Zeroth Law but his main priority is still the welfare of his pilot and that of humanity.

Striker being worshiped as a deity and imposing a caste system on Earth is not rational.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

There is still quite a bit of irony in Kugel potentially keeping himself alive despite conditions that in his usual circumstances might result in his being spaced.

Or, you know, treated in a modern infirmary or hospital. Or told to just stay in a sterile environment. They probably don't want to waste all they've invested in him.

Needs of the moment and all that...

Which is consistent with their philosophy.

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

I think Striker may be malfunctioning. Chamber may be learning the Zeroth Law but his main priority is still the welfare of his pilot and that of humanity.

Striker being worshiped as a deity and imposing a caste system on Earth is not rational.

That's hard to say. Striker wants to turn them into people who can fight the Hideauze as fast as possible. First those on Earth, and then those in space. How would you do it?

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

That's hard to say. Striker wants to turn them into people who can fight the Hideauze as fast as possible. First those on Earth, and then those in space. How would you do it?

I don't think that religious fervor is necessary and I don't think that that's compatible with the philosophy of the alliance that puts humanity above everything else.

The symbol of the alliance is the vitruvian man (plus a woman), the symbol of these cultists is... something primitive which I don't even know what means but they have a big painting of Striker a machine that they revere as an envoy of God.

Anyway historically conquering nations never needed a strong faith to be militarily effective. Sure you have the Arabs, but Genghis Khan, Alexander and the Romans fared pretty well I think.

It seems to me that Kugel/Striker are more concerned about world domination than the threat of the Hideauze.

Ledo alone with just a bit of help from a few earthlings managed to eradicate an entire nest of whalesquids without much problem and without resorting to draconian measures.