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marin · 2003-11-24, 10:19

Also it's worth noting that while the Narutaru manga throws Shiina into a dead serious lethal situation involving other dragonettes pretty quick (the attack on the flight back) the anime really takes until the final confrontation with grey haired boy in episode 4 to give an indication of just how serious things will get...

Xiandu · 2003-11-30, 05:59

Okay i just finished this series, and must say that i am really f-ing disturbed. GSG is bad, but this show takes the cake. OMG this show is so messed up,really it. It got me hooked but then it apalled me. I wasn't sure if i wanted to keep watching it after the 11th episode. I did and now i think i kinda reget it now. It's amazing how this show really affected me. Several times i found myself saying "this ain't right, how can they show stuff like this?" Another thing, the name of the station that the show airs on is Kid's Station? WTF!?! What damn kids would or rather should be allowed to watch something so horrific as this show is.

Lambda · 2003-11-30, 06:17

As I understand it, the company "Kid's Station" doesn't exclusively make material directed at children.

Xiandu · 2003-11-30, 06:21

Hmm didn't know that. Then why name it that? Wouldn't naming it that tend to make people think the same thing i did?

tsurumaru · 2003-12-01, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Xiandu

Hmm didn't know that. Then why name it that? Wouldn't naming it that tend to make people think the same thing i did?

Nah thats just the Japanese for you!

This show aired between Midnight and 2AM originally on a pay channel so its unlikely people would confuse it for a daytime kids show......

naantje · 2004-01-05, 17:30

ok old thread but had to bump i just finished the series and.. ehh could anyone explain me WHAT THE FUCK this is supposed to be?!?!?!?!? i dont get it AT ALL everyone dies but her dads arms are magicly healed and or i mean just WHAT ASDFHFJJFASJFAS plz help

Flash_Squirrel · 2004-01-05, 18:15

Hiro-chan died killed by hoshimaru. The scene you see at the end its a few time after the incidents of the Hiro's dragonet (since Shiina is in college now).

The arms are healed because some time passed..

If you want to know more.. Read the manga. :/

CodeWordChobits · 2004-02-01, 03:18

Spoiler:

Flash_Squirrel · 2004-02-01, 06:31

Spoiler:

marin · 2004-02-01, 09:19

Given the very title of the thread, I think we can dispense with the SPOILER tags and just say that from now on, here be spoilers...

Anyway, yes, I think it's pretty clear that Akira was sexually abused by her father. There is an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence that suggests this.

In the last NaruTaru MEGATHREAD which was unfortunately lost in the migration to VBulletin, this was pretty much the consensus.

Someone else posited a theory that her father was prostituting her out as well, but there was only one line in the whole thing that possibly suggested it.

LordBrian · 2004-02-01, 09:51

Out of curiosity, which lines suggested sexual abuse?

Goras · 2004-02-01, 11:02

1st time I watched narutaru, I thought akira was felling bad, becouse she had her period.

after rewatching, I noticed the scene wher she sais to her classmate who helps her
whispering pr....

is there another part that led you thinking she was pregnant?

Shii · 2004-02-01, 16:59

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Originally Posted by marin

Given the very title of the thread, I think we can dispense with the SPOILER tags and just say that from now on, here be spoilers...

Never do that, just because there's the word "speculation" in the thread doesn't mean everyone who looks has already seen the whole thing.

Deralti · 2004-02-01, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Goras

1st time I watched narutaru, I thought akira was felling bad, becouse she had her period.

after rewatching, I noticed the scene wher she sais to her classmate who helps her
whispering pr....

is there another part that led you thinking she was pregnant?

bold 1: Er... you haven't taken the "special ed" class yet, have you?

bold 2: That could be prostitute, pregnant, prissy, anything. for one thing, could you describe this scene a bit better? I can't remember it.

marin · 2004-02-01, 19:12

One notion I do wish to dispell is the idea that she was trying to whisper "Pre-pre-pregnant" to her classmate.

News flash, the japanese word for "pregnant" does NOT begin with "pre"

CodeWordChobits · 2004-02-01, 21:31

Spoiler:

I think she was sexually abused by her father for many reasons.... The way they interact with eachother is kind of up and down. Sometimes he seems the concerned parent and other times he appears only to care about the success of his bar. The mother also has very little to say about anything involving Akira. She stands off in the background and lets the father do as he sees best. This is often the kind of way parents who are involved in this kind of thing will act.
There is another scene in "The invisible ground level" ep - 11, where Akira is looking at pills in the drugstore, Ishida walks in and interupts them. Then Akira suddenly takes off, and the store clerk says, "Do you know her?" Ishida replies, "Uhm... yeah.." Clerk again responds with, "It must be your fault" he again, "HUh?" clerk again, "You don't understand, I suppose" This implies IMO that she is looking for remedies for her "condition" wich are much more readily available to ppl in Japan than here in the US.
Then there is a scene where her father asks about the medicine she has and she takes off again leaving him to wonder, "What's wrong with her." Which is another reason to argue against the fact that she may have been sexually abused by him. But the episode when he is looking through the albums and reminiscing about her as a child would lead me to believe that it has been going on for a very long time, and that it has become accepted to the family.
The scene where she whispers... pre..pre... is also in Ep - 11 when they are outside for P.E. playing soccer or something, just after the medicine scene from abaove. Akira collapses, after a few classmates comment on her uselessness, and her not looking so good. No one will take her to the nurse's office because she is gross. So Ishida, like a true prince, steps up to the plate and takes care of her. One of the girls makes a comment about Sakura's smell, and she clutches at her stomache, they continue along ignoring the chiding banter behind them. Once alone Ishida takes the chance to throw out a few compliments contrary to what the others had been saying. They share an awekward moment where Akira falls down and then proceed to the nurses office. Once there they find it empty, he suggest that she only need to lay down and she takes one of the beds. He tells her he has to get back to class and start to leave... he then stops and tells her she should have more self confidence, and assures her that he doesn't hate her. When he starts to leave again she runs to him and snuggles into his back, taking Ishida by surprise. She holds his hand and trys to say something but the words won't seem to come, the only letter she pronounces is P...
Cut to Hiro's class where she is found to be absent. Cut to Hiro sitting in front of Shiina's house. Back to nurse's office... We find Ishida and Sakura behind the curtain of the bed, he comes flying out declaring that he can't, she pulls down her shirt and looks dissapointed or confused. He apologizes and tells her he is happy about it but concerned with what the others will say about him if he is gone too long. This proves him to be just like everyone else.
I just thought of another possible reason for her illness... The episode where we find all tis out is "The invisible ground level," well perhaps the trials that Hiro are facing are the some ones that Akira had gone through? Maybe someone didn't just use the test tube, but kicked it after all? I don't know I tend to still lean heavily towards the sexual abuse theory... but I thought I would throw that one out for eveyone to stew on hehe.

Sorry this turned out so long but you guys wanted a recap of the episode with the most relevance so I gave it hehe. And please use the tags they are there for a reason... I have read alot things I shouldn't have in other forums and it reall sucks when it happens.

corp20 · 2004-02-01, 22:57

I have one question for you all...

Spoiler:

EDIT: Misspelled dragonet.

CodeWordChobits · 2004-02-01, 23:11

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Originally Posted by corp20

I have one question for you all...

Spoiler:

And it's Dragonet, not Dragnet lol. The latter being an old detective sitcom... sorry I know it was a typo but it was funny.

NeverRamza · 2004-02-02, 03:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeWordChobits

Spoiler:

And it's Dragonet, not Dragnet lol. The latter being an old detective sitcom... sorry I know it was a typo but it was funny.

I saw some German manga scans of this scene and the anime was a bit toned down here. She had a lingerie top on that barely covered her chest and that was it. No panties either. They were obviously up to some dirty things here.

CodeWordChobits · 2004-02-02, 04:44

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Originally Posted by NeverRamza

I saw some German manga scans of this scene and the anime was a bit toned down here. She had a lingerie top on that barely covered her chest and that was it. No panties either. They were obviously up to some dirty things here.

Hehe, I am really looking forward to reading the manga... and if you don't already know, it has been released in the US by Darkhorse comics. It isn't called Narutaru though... it's called "Shadow Star." So keep an eye out for it. I just hope they didn't tone it down too much... oh wells.

2004-02-01, 03:18	Link #28
CodeWordChobits Person just for her Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona Age: 42	Narutaru speculation, Why did she do that? Spoiler: In Narutaru at the end just after Hoshimaru kills Hiro there is scene where Akira is standing over her father's corpse, breathing heavily, and over all distraught. What do you think drove her to kill her dad instead of herself? I for one think that she had been sexually abused by him. She almost mentioned that she was sick because she was pregnant, when her "prince" saved her from harrasment on the field, then she tried to seduce him in the empty nurse's office. This is a fairly common way for children to act out in that kind of situation... not to mention her dad is looking through albums and remeniscing about when she was Daddie's girl. I don't know what better motivation for murder there could be, than being raped repeatedly by someone you hold very dear. I know there are other possibilities, and am interested in hearing your take on just what drove her to murder her own father, when it seemed her only real wish before then was to die. Last edited by xris; 2004-02-01 at 06:00. Reason: Since this is discussion about a fansubbed anime series, it belongs in the Fansub forum. Moved

2004-02-01, 06:31	Link #29
Flash_Squirrel F&C Fanboy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Saiph	Spoiler: In the manga, Akira's father is not as quiet as in the anime. He is kind of rude and generally not pleased to have her around. There is a possiblity of him being a child-abuser, though I'm not really sure. After that she got locked inside a reformatory, so I wouldn't know.

2004-02-01, 22:57	Link #37
corp20 Internet God Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stop spamming from my closet!!!!! Age: 37	I have one question for you all... Spoiler: Okay you guys remember that scene when Hiro-chan dragonet burst in on that "head girl" that picked on her. When was she sleeping with her brother? Thats what it looked like to me. EDIT: Misspelled dragonet. Last edited by corp20; 2004-02-02 at 21:00.

2003-11-24, 10:19	Link #21
marin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Also it's worth noting that while the Narutaru manga throws Shiina into a dead serious lethal situation involving other dragonettes pretty quick (the attack on the flight back) the anime really takes until the final confrontation with grey haired boy in episode 4 to give an indication of just how serious things will get...

2003-11-30, 05:59	Link #22
Xiandu Destroyer of the God Deus Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Carlsbad CA Age: 45	Okay i just finished this series, and must say that i am really f-ing disturbed. GSG is bad, but this show takes the cake. OMG this show is so messed up,really it. It got me hooked but then it apalled me. I wasn't sure if i wanted to keep watching it after the 11th episode. I did and now i think i kinda reget it now. It's amazing how this show really affected me. Several times i found myself saying "this ain't right, how can they show stuff like this?" Another thing, the name of the station that the show airs on is Kid's Station? WTF!?! What damn kids would or rather should be allowed to watch something so horrific as this show is.

2003-11-30, 06:17	Link #23
Lambda Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 44	As I understand it, the company "Kid's Station" doesn't exclusively make material directed at children.

2003-11-30, 06:21	Link #24
Xiandu Destroyer of the God Deus Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Carlsbad CA Age: 45	Hmm didn't know that. Then why name it that? Wouldn't naming it that tend to make people think the same thing i did?

2004-01-05, 17:30	Link #26
naantje Annoyance :) Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: where the bitches at -x- Age: 38	ok old thread but had to bump i just finished the series and.. ehh could anyone explain me WHAT THE FUCK this is supposed to be?!?!?!?!? i dont get it AT ALL everyone dies but her dads arms are magicly healed and or i mean just WHAT ASDFHFJJFASJFAS plz help

2004-01-05, 18:15	Link #27
Flash_Squirrel F&C Fanboy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Saiph	Hiro-chan died killed by hoshimaru. The scene you see at the end its a few time after the incidents of the Hiro's dragonet (since Shiina is in college now). The arms are healed because some time passed.. If you want to know more.. Read the manga. :/

2004-02-01, 09:19	Link #30
marin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Given the very title of the thread, I think we can dispense with the SPOILER tags and just say that from now on, here be spoilers... Anyway, yes, I think it's pretty clear that Akira was sexually abused by her father. There is an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence that suggests this. In the last NaruTaru MEGATHREAD which was unfortunately lost in the migration to VBulletin, this was pretty much the consensus. Someone else posited a theory that her father was prostituting her out as well, but there was only one line in the whole thing that possibly suggested it.

2004-02-01, 09:51	Link #31
LordBrian Triad's Friendly Editor Join Date: Jul 2003 Age: 43	Out of curiosity, which lines suggested sexual abuse?

2004-02-01, 11:02	Link #32
Goras Member Join Date: Nov 2003	1st time I watched narutaru, I thought akira was felling bad, becouse she had her period. after rewatching, I noticed the scene wher she sais to her classmate who helps her whispering pr.... is there another part that led you thinking she was pregnant?

2004-02-01, 19:12	Link #35
marin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	One notion I do wish to dispell is the idea that she was trying to whisper "Pre-pre-pregnant" to her classmate. News flash, the japanese word for "pregnant" does NOT begin with "pre"

2004-02-01, 21:31	Link #36
CodeWordChobits Person just for her Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona Age: 42	Spoiler: I think she was sexually abused by her father for many reasons.... The way they interact with eachother is kind of up and down. Sometimes he seems the concerned parent and other times he appears only to care about the success of his bar. The mother also has very little to say about anything involving Akira. She stands off in the background and lets the father do as he sees best. This is often the kind of way parents who are involved in this kind of thing will act. There is another scene in "The invisible ground level" ep - 11, where Akira is looking at pills in the drugstore, Ishida walks in and interupts them. Then Akira suddenly takes off, and the store clerk says, "Do you know her?" Ishida replies, "Uhm... yeah.." Clerk again responds with, "It must be your fault" he again, "HUh?" clerk again, "You don't understand, I suppose" This implies IMO that she is looking for remedies for her "condition" wich are much more readily available to ppl in Japan than here in the US. Then there is a scene where her father asks about the medicine she has and she takes off again leaving him to wonder, "What's wrong with her." Which is another reason to argue against the fact that she may have been sexually abused by him. But the episode when he is looking through the albums and reminiscing about her as a child would lead me to believe that it has been going on for a very long time, and that it has become accepted to the family. The scene where she whispers... pre..pre... is also in Ep - 11 when they are outside for P.E. playing soccer or something, just after the medicine scene from abaove. Akira collapses, after a few classmates comment on her uselessness, and her not looking so good. No one will take her to the nurse's office because she is gross. So Ishida, like a true prince, steps up to the plate and takes care of her. One of the girls makes a comment about Sakura's smell, and she clutches at her stomache, they continue along ignoring the chiding banter behind them. Once alone Ishida takes the chance to throw out a few compliments contrary to what the others had been saying. They share an awekward moment where Akira falls down and then proceed to the nurses office. Once there they find it empty, he suggest that she only need to lay down and she takes one of the beds. He tells her he has to get back to class and start to leave... he then stops and tells her she should have more self confidence, and assures her that he doesn't hate her. When he starts to leave again she runs to him and snuggles into his back, taking Ishida by surprise. She holds his hand and trys to say something but the words won't seem to come, the only letter she pronounces is P... Cut to Hiro's class where she is found to be absent. Cut to Hiro sitting in front of Shiina's house. Back to nurse's office... We find Ishida and Sakura behind the curtain of the bed, he comes flying out declaring that he can't, she pulls down her shirt and looks dissapointed or confused. He apologizes and tells her he is happy about it but concerned with what the others will say about him if he is gone too long. This proves him to be just like everyone else. I just thought of another possible reason for her illness... The episode where we find all tis out is "The invisible ground level," well perhaps the trials that Hiro are facing are the some ones that Akira had gone through? Maybe someone didn't just use the test tube, but kicked it after all? I don't know I tend to still lean heavily towards the sexual abuse theory... but I thought I would throw that one out for eveyone to stew on hehe. Sorry this turned out so long but you guys wanted a recap of the episode with the most relevance so I gave it hehe. And please use the tags they are there for a reason... I have read alot things I shouldn't have in other forums and it reall sucks when it happens.