2010-10-24, 07:33 | Link #3182 | |
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Both of these situations has the corpse moving locations, which I find abhorrent in mystery novels. Corpses shouldn't be moving about unless they where always there from the start or if they where never a corpse to begin with. This train of though should apply to all the previous "corpses moving" situations in this series. |
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2010-10-24, 13:33 | Link #3183 | |
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2010-10-24, 14:40 | Link #3184 |
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Not to mention that hiding the dead Kinzo's "hiding place" is literally like almost the entire plot of the fifth game.
You mystery novel fans really have to stop being arrogant and insistent with your suppositions of how Umineko SHOULD work and how it'd be abhorrent if it doesn't, considering that Umineko pretty much has done nothing but play with the mystery genre since it started. |
2010-10-24, 15:29 | Link #3185 | |
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Also, Im not being arrogant about my beliefs about the mystery genre. There has been no evidence of corpses being moved throughout all the games, just the notion of them being moved. EP 5 showed an alternative truth of the corpses never being dead to begin with, which oddly enough fits with all the other games as wells. |
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2010-10-25, 08:13 | Link #3186 | |
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That doesn't mean no body is ever in the study (for instance, ep3 and ep4 leave open the prospect), but it does mean the study was not where the First Twilight victims ended up or where Kinzo was the entire time. He could have been in there initially, but was moved in ep5... if he was, however, we have no idea where to, as he wasn't incinerated and wasn't located either. What I was wondering is if there's any hint in ep1-4 as to an alternate storage location. Garden shed, maybe?
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2010-10-25, 12:05 | Link #3187 | |
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I found it really interesting for Erika not to notice that they're pretending having said that she made it all the way to corner Natsuhi back then.. Krauss is missing that time Who knows ? Quote:
Well Who knows somebody knew ? EDIT : Who said dis episode ended with only 1 day .. I find it odd Battler waking up in 3:00 or shame on me I don't remember if it ended in the first day I recall seeing something posted like that
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2011-10-22, 14:59 | Link #3189 |
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i think i just figured out who placed the letter and knocked on the door in Ep5.
Its someone in the cousins room that did it. what i think happened at that time was this. Beato went to the cousins room gave them the letter and ordered them to bring the letter in front of the dining hall door ,drop the letter in front of the door then knocked. After that they left the mansion. there's No contradiction right? |
2011-10-22, 15:49 | Link #3191 | |
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It was impossible to reach the second floor of the guesthouse without passing through the lounge, and impossible to reach it at all without Erika, who was in the lounge, knowing about it/QUOTE] well about that beato doesn't need to enter the guest house though. There's the ladder that she can use remember. She can talk to them through the window or possibly that they left the cousins room through the window with the used of the ladder. |
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2011-10-22, 16:03 | Link #3192 | |
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At 24:00, only Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa existed outside the mansion and for good measure It was impossible for anyone outside the mansion to influence anything inside the mansion around the time of the family conference. |
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2011-10-22, 16:54 | Link #3194 | |
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about the red truth there's no problem at all. That red truth revolves around who was outside the mansion AT 24:00(12:00).Now remember this, Shannon and kanon went inside the dining hall at 11:50pm and The knocked happened right after that. Then if there's a 10 minute difference between 11:50 AND 12:00 then who ever knocked on the door and place the letter have enough time to exit the mansion. another red truth you said was for those outside the mansion.But what if that person that place the letter was inside the mansion at that time. i don't remember any reds about the windows of the cousins room having a duct tape in them . Can you tell me the exact red that had been used? |
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2011-10-22, 20:33 | Link #3198 |
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I was wrong on that one sorry.
But i'll change my views of how one of the cousins left the guesthouse. i found out that gohda was inside the servants room until 1:00am and kumasawa was sleeping in the waiting room. While Erika left the mansion at 11:49.with that there's a possibility that one of the cousin left the room before 24:00 yeah just like what erika said in blue but it wasn't denied so it must be true. lets assume it was george that left the room.he must be already inside the mansion though possibly met up with shannon and he agree to place the letter and knock on the door of the dining hall. |
2011-10-22, 20:41 | Link #3199 |
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Things aren't true just because they aren't denied. One of the cousins might have left the room before 24:00, but how the hell did they get back into the room? She was keeping watch THE WHOLE TIME, and all of the cousins were in the room later, murdered around Battler.
Infact, Battler was the only person Erika saw enter all night. The knock and the letter never existed. There is nothing supporting their existence, and there's no way to withdraw the cousins from the guesthouse because of Erika.
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2011-10-22, 20:54 | Link #3200 | |
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now consider this fact, they never said in Red that the knocked happened on 24:00 and it was only implied by rudolf and erika. This lead me to believe that the Clock in the dining hall was Altered to fool all those inside the dining hall and to fool us. Sorry,i don't believe that the knock and the letter never existed though. Everything that happened in umineko have an explanation other than they all lied about it. |
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