2011-02-27, 11:27
|
Link #781 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
|
Quote:
I wonder whether the creators of this anime had Haruhi Suzumiya in mind when designing Madoka . This could very well be a deliberate deconstruction of : I want the world to be more exciting . Perhaps even an indirect deconstruction of Haruhi Suzumiya ? It depends in the end . If Madoka was a reality warper of Haruhi Suzumiya's powers , with very similar motivations , this might not just be a deconstruction of Magical Girl , but a deconstruction of the genreless Haruhi Suzumiya! Madoka is Haruhi Suzumiya , anyone? 
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-27, 11:40
|
Link #782 | |
|
✘˵╹◡╹˶✘
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Australia
|
Quote:
Haruhi's anti-fan will turn to hate the show because they thought that Madoka anime was simply kissing SHny's asses. Haruhi's fans will hate the show because they think it's a copy cat. Those two groups probably make up 95% of the Haruhi's audiences. Which should be quite large in Japan or aboard
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-27, 13:01
|
Link #783 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
|
Quote:
I like this theory, but things don't add up right now. Maybe with more info. Let's wait and see.
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-27, 13:21
|
Link #784 | |
|
Speculation is wrong.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Paris
|
Quote:
But i agree, the scene when she breaks down and starts crying could have lead to that, if Madoka didn't leave that quickly. |
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-27, 14:38
|
Link #786 | |
|
スマイリウム
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Iwakawa Base
Age: 31
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-27, 20:37
|
Link #787 |
|
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2006
|
Something I've noticed is that the OP has changed a few times over the course of the show. The most recent changed noted in the wiki is this image:
Spoiler for Slightly large:
The color change is the biggest difference, episode 5 is yellow and episode 6 is purple. Prior to this, the largest OP changes where in episode 3. New on the left, old on the right: Spoiler for Large image, first comparison:
Spoiler for Large image, second comparison:
Fixing animation errors isn't uncommon but these are noticeable changes. These images and the speculation written on them ARE NOT MINE. I just thought they would be interesting for discussion.
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 03:42
|
Link #789 | |
|
✘˵╹◡╹˶✘
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Australia
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 07:10
|
Link #790 |
|
Art Block Specialist
Join Date: Jun 2007
|
just one random idea, might have plenty of plotholes, but whatever just feel like throwing it out there. Didn't read the previous pages.
When Kyubey extracts the soul out from the girls, he planted a seed within. The seed feasts on the energy from the girl's soul while providing magical power for the girl to use. The girl's mental strength will be the one keeping the womb intact. If there's too much weakness in the integrity and disturbance within the egg then the shell will break open and the witch will hatch. What's left of the soul will be obliterated in the process. After the witch is defeated, Kyubey recycles the seed, possibly gaining some energy from it. Then he waits for the next one to be planted in. There's another wild theory that madoka actually forgets about Homura during that statics scene. Therefore all she sees is one random stranger crying in front of her while she needs to find Sayaka. It's not her remembering the other timeline, but the other way round. To continue the "growing up" theory, someone online likened Kyubey's design to the uterus and two fallopian tubes
__________________
Last edited by jeroz; 2011-02-28 at 07:20. |
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 08:10
|
Link #791 |
|
Moe Kyun~!
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Philippines
 |
Wow...another 10 pages of speculation! =S
Anyway, we really don't know Kyubey's true motives yet. One thing's for sure... Homura doesn't want this Kyubey's plan to happen. (1) Why did Kyubey have to inform Homura(n)-chan and Kyoukto-chan about the Sayaka's SG turning dark? Does Kyubey care about what's happening to her? Does Homura(n) care? Why was Kyouko and Madoka the only one who truely cared when Kyubey told this? Is it because Homura(n) DOES want Sayaka to turn witch?! Idk. (2) If ever the Madoka = (or) ~ Haruhi is true, then it'll be actually quite cool for me. (not that it's not a copycat, it still kinda is copycat-ish [explains the cat? rofl] Anyway, if Madoka ~ Haruhi (~ means similar to) then is there a posibility that Madoka can be able to use magic WITHOUT puting her SG somewhere else (other than her body)? (3) Homura saying "Why are you so selfless [or something like that]?" is kinda surprising. It may mean that Madoka =/= Homura *is steadily crying over the self-incest fantasy* Anyway, how did Mami know about Kyubey's potential? Obviously, Homura knows it because she's from the future, but how about Mami? InKubeytor told her or something? I don't think so. (4) If Madoka is that powerful, is it possible that Madoka created 2 copies of herself before resetting the world? One would be the time traveller Homura, could only fully travel back in time once through Madoka? And the other identity would become herself who would eventually go back to her being in a new level of badass or something...?!
__________________
Last edited by ronelm2000; 2011-02-28 at 18:17. Reason: Fixed a few broken BBCodes |
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 08:45
|
Link #792 |
|
Stupidity is Bliss.
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: In Hancock's Heart
|
@jeroz O_o you're right.. he's like a uterus with his long ears resembling hand-like fallopian tube.. Seriously, that'd mean he's really an incubator who incubates GSs to fully develop into something that is yet to be revealed..
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 08:53
|
Link #793 | ||
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
|
Quote:
Quote:
1) It is kind of weird but i figure kyubey knew that homura was just gonna be there til walpurgisnacht, but sayaka becoming a witch would happen much sooner than that. Homura did care about sayaka becoming a witch and tried to help her, but when it was ignored she figured best way to fix the [problem is end it right there. 3)I believe MS can feel the power of other MS, including potential ones.
__________________
Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2011-02-28 at 14:00. Reason: The "EDIT" button is your friend... |
||
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 10:38
|
Link #794 | ||||
|
スマイリウム
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Iwakawa Base
Age: 31
|
Quote:
1.2) Kyubei doesn't care about what happens to Sayaka. Unless you put the sentence like this: "He cares about Sayaka to a certain degree because she is part of one of his ulterior motives." (frankly, that doesn't sound nice either) 1.3) Homura cares, that's why she went to see Sayaka and gave her the GS. Or: She only cares about Madoka and thus has to keep Sayaka somehow safe, unwillingly. However, she automatically has to care about Sayaka then so it'd probably be better to assume the former. Quote:
Quote:
3.1) The way Mami told Homura "So you noticed it, too, eh?" should point towards that she noticed it herself. At this point we can only assume that some potential people simply have sharp eyes/senses that allow them to sense other's talents. To add: Mami also could tell that Homura is a very strong MG (episode 2, conversation in Mami's flat). Quote:
__________________
|
||||
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 13:31
|
Link #795 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
|
Just some random speculation after I read the post regarding the magazine interview.
1. Super witch (ep 1) is possibly a result of QB's incubation of grief seeds. 2. Homura may not be contracted through QB but rather using someone else's SG. Thus her power is limited and weaker then most other MGs and have to rely on conventional weapons in combination with her limited abilities. 3. The SG that Homura is using is possibly Madoka's in a time line where she did contract with QB and still manage to send a piece of her soul along with her SG to an alternative time line or back in time. This means Homura is Madoka, but only a piece of her. It also means Madoka's dream in ep 1 isn't the first occurance or timeline. 4. Homura represent a unique case as she essentially is a MG created by Madoka and not QB and retains knowledges Madoka has learned in previous timelines/future. 5. Homura will have a way to guide Madoka to not contract with QB but employ similar method that made Homura to make herself a 'True' MG without contracting with QB.
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 13:38
|
Link #796 | |
|
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Hamburg
Age: 54
|
Quote:
Could you please give a reference? |
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 13:46
|
Link #797 | |
|
Me at work
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Age: 36
 |
Quote:
At first glance I'm could really get behind this theory,it explains why Homura's soulgem is pink without her being Madoka and how she managed to get back in time without having to ask QB. That episode 1 dream remains a mistery though
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 14:03
|
Link #798 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.
 |
The only issue is that Homura hasn't wanted to guide Madoka into anything, besides not becoming a magical girl by contracting with Kyube. If the Kyube contract part was what she didn't want Madoka following, she would have offered up the possibility earlier.
Homura: "It's bad if you contract with Kyube, because what happens. However, I have a better way, if you really want to become a magical girl." Instead, Homura seems to want to keep Madoka out, totally. |
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 14:12
|
Link #799 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
2011-02-28, 16:25
|
Link #800 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Hamburg
Age: 54
|
I have difficulties swallowing the "Homura is some form of Madoka" theories. Homura is really, really, REALLY into Madoka, her devotion is extreme. Not just to make sure that Madoka doesn't contract with QB, but also and especially her emotional well-being. It feels like genuine love, possibly even romantic one. And Madoka is really not self-centered enough to develop this kind of character trait, imho.
To be honest, at the moment I'm very unsure what the near future will hold, more than anytime else post-ep3. Which is a good thing, I guess. So, amusingly, I feel more confident with some guesses about the post-crisis resolution than about what happens next ep. In the long run, I'd say we have one "time bomb" kind of scenario with the impending Walpurgisnacht. On this night, the fate of the world will be decided. If the "QB is an incubator for the polluted Grief Seeds he ate" theory is correct, he could throw some real BAD news with capital B. If the "QB incubates unsuspecting girls" theory is correct, the question remains who the uberwitch is who kicked Homura's behind in ep1. I'm still hesitant to believe that it's Sayaka - I could imagine Sayaka dying next ep. But if she should die, let's watch closely where her GS ends up. As long as it's not tossed into QB, there's still hope for her, IMHO. However, on the meta-level, I believe we'll see a tug-of-war between QB and Homura for Madoka. My gut feeling tells me that "Madoka contracts with QB" equals the catastrophe scenario. This is obviously the one thing to be avoided at all costs, see Homura's focus. I believe that somehow, Madoka will be enabled to become a MG _without_ selling her soul to QB. This is going to be the path to salvation. I'm not able to guess _how_ it's being done atm. We need to learn more about Homura's backstory first. But I do believe that _in the end_, Homura will turn into the black cat from the OP, and "replace" QB as facilitator of the MG's magical power, unlocking Madoka's potential. The official Megami art seems to indicate this kind of connection, and the cat is the only relevant creature from the OP that hasn't shown up yet. Also, she's obviously going to become Madoka's familiar after she turns into a MG. No, I don't believe that Homura is Madoka's familiar of the past, who was granted a wish. I do think that she's human and that she's been extremely close to Madoka in the past. Madoka is beginning to remember her after all. But to save the world from the Walpurgisnacht (reread Homura's ED for details), I believe that Homura will 'sacrifice' her humanity and become for Madoka what QB must not be: Her familiar and contractor (WITHOUT pledging her soul to the devil). |
|
|
|
 |
| Tags |
| madoka magica |
|
|
![[TAC]](https://cdn-forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic60901_1.gif){kind=icon}
