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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 20 | |||
10 out of 10 : Near Perfect... | 46 | 37.40% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 39 | 31.71% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 25 | 20.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 7 | 5.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 1 | 0.81% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.81% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 1 | 0.81% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 1 | 0.81% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.81% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 1 | 0.81% | |
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2012-11-17, 16:54 | Link #41 |
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The sword gram cannot use ethereal shift consecutively at that speed, that's why the dual weilding was so effective as it negated the general's ability to pass through Kirito's defenses at will which is what made the initial fight so one sided, and once balance was restored it came down to a contest of pure skill.
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2012-11-17, 17:00 | Link #42 |
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Nice airborne duel, Kirito quickly overwhelmed Eugene once he had the upper hand and didn't let up. Although Eugene's first sword hit to Kirito's face/shoulder looked like it hurt! Reminded me of DBZ when they crash into mountains...
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2012-11-17, 17:14 | Link #43 |
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Demonic sword Gram sure has an ugly design
The beginning of Kirito vs Eugene fight was good, but once Kirito started dual wielding, Eugene face was the best part of the episode. So Asuna wakes up and decides to leave. Would be funny if she escapes to Arun, while Kirito is fighting his way up the world tree. Do we know how many episodes SAO has, 24 or 26?
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2012-11-17, 17:15 | Link #44 |
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This episode show us that if you put the stupid fanservice and the inconsistencies in the scenario, Sword Art Online could be one of the best entertainement of the year. I mean look at this fight scene, it was so awesome! (though I wonder why Kirito can suddenly use two weapons. But hey, it's SAO, we are somehow used to this kind of thing...)
The second part of the episode wasn't really interesting. We know that Kirito is fuckin cool when he's fighting but stay calms girls~ PS: go go Asuna, you get enough sleep for the rest of your life :< |
2012-11-17, 17:20 | Link #45 | |
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A Rewatch of earlier eps with better translations would probably clear some of the inconsistency people keep complaining about.
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2012-11-17, 17:28 | Link #46 |
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Damn, people arguing still with the dual wield.
Here's my take. First unlike SAO where dual wield has a big benefit combat-wise, since you get a 32-hit combo just by going thru the initial motion of the sword skill. In ALO where there's no system assist and the natural/real skills and abilities of the players reflect on their combat skills. Dual Wielding per say doesn't add any big benefit and may even hinder on the long run since you have more work for barely any benefit at all. Watching this scene in the anime is fast, action packed and short, but reading the novel one has more time to think the scenario. In this case the "phasing" of Eugene's sword. While reading the first thing that came right into my mind was: "what if that phasing bonus applies to the first block only? of course Kirito might try dual wielding..." And lo and behold the next thing he does is get a second sword. In the end I think the point with Kirito dual wielding or not. Is that on normal combat in ALO without any system assist, it doesn't provide any benefits and you're putting more effort for the same result. But in the case of Eugene's fight he had the double whammy of being able to block the phasing and the element of surprise providing an opening to attack. Just like other people mentioned, Kirito having an internal monologue and explaining what he was thinking might have helped people understand his decision to dual wield at that moment, but on the other hand it would have interrupted the pace of the fight. Last edited by Kamui04; 2012-11-17 at 17:42. Reason: fixed some spelling. |
2012-11-17, 17:36 | Link #48 |
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And if you read more carefully the complaints, the problem isn't "why Kirito isn't abusing dual wielding" as it is clearly not the same as in SAO, but why he didn't think about trying that, considering his personality and all.
Really, the reason why Dual Wield is more effective against Eugene is no brainer due to gram, but that's not the problem here. The initial problem was why Kirito didn't bother having a back up weapon to test it out, since he could have all the gear he can buy back in the sylph capital and neutral city, considering the hefty amount of cash he has. Unlike in SAO, Kazuto wasn't shown testing ALO because he has no time for that, yet he still can use his experience from SAO. That's why relying only on a single sword instead of trying 2 swords just in case if it is better or not was the weirdest part here, since there is nothing that indicates why he wouldn't even try 2 swords prior Eugene's encounter (and again, the reason why he uses DW against him is NOT the problem). The fact he didn't bother prior that made it look like dual wielding was impossible in ALO, hence why this tactic looked out of nowhere, not because of the purpose of doing so, but rather the fact it is the only time he tries that. Really, it is another reason why the narrative is so clunky in the anime: you hardly have any pertinent explanation or exposure of certain decisions, which leave you wondering about certain part. Basically, the anime adaptation is suffering of an unbalance "show" side, with little to no "tell".
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2012-11-17, 18:17 | Link #51 | |
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Since it is a video game, it is up to the game design if a certain feature is better or not. Some games will give no difference between 1hander or DW, while others will give a drastic difference in either term of defense and/or offense. And since we have no narration or obvious scene with Kazuto pondering about ALO kirito gear, it doesn't help and leaves everything to assumptions: did he really not bother? Did he realize DW is worthless in ALO? Etc.
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2012-11-17, 18:29 | Link #52 |
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I think nitoryuu here isn't a skill.... it's like Kirito is just moving and waving the swords wildly...
oh yea... talking about the episode.. finally I can give the highest score in ALO arc again... after a slow development, finally many awesome things happen... Kirito fight against Eugene.... and Sakuya + Alicia... hahaha.... they're a nice addition to Kirito's harem... must give compliment to Kirito-Yui's reaction toward Lyfa.... "you're not like a girl" since they already making an agreement with Cait Sith and Sylph, will Salamander also help them to reach world tree? ah! I'm also still confused about this alliance thing. At first, I thought it's based on races... but it seems not... Maybe I'll understand the alliance as guild is Kirito's money from his time during SAO incident? that's a lot of money! finally, our main heroine is on the move (she can't stay as princess in the cage forever, right? Lyfa is going to steal her 'main heroine' position) aaaahh!!! I need more Lu-chan... |
2012-11-17, 19:18 | Link #54 |
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The impression that I get from the flashback scene is that when he stated then that he he would rather not fight you, seems to now imply that he was directing that statement to that Undine player. Leefa's surprised reaction in this scene seems to also imply that she may know something more about this Undine as well.
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2012-11-17, 19:21 | Link #55 | |
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For the dual wield discussion, well I would assume that he simply didn't think about it...remember he had the more than enough coins, why not just buying a top armor and top swords or let sb forge them for him. He could easily pay that, still he didn't do it. Because of this I think that he simply didn't care much for his equipment in first place and for the dual wield itself, well 2 greatswords are a bit hard to wear at your back at the same time and u don't know if he would have enough time for getting it out of his inventory before being killed. On the other hand revealing it beforehand would have made Eugene concious about him and he would have used another strategy against him, as he himself stated that he thought that Kirito was just a bluffer with no actual skill. |
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