(L) Dragonaut ~ The Resonance

[Hakuryu_Hikaru]

If you allow me, anything with onsen on the moon ought to suck big time. I don't watch this particular show. But I got to say that reading the discussion around it it's the funniest thing ever!

[Shouta]

Originally Posted by Teletha

The Toa x Jin relationship is the worst part of the how. For some reason I think it's gonna continue like this for a while....

Spoiler:

Her outburst at the end would have worked better if that was the reason she left him in the first place. From the beginning she left him because she had her "mission" and couldn't settle down. Why leave get back together 2 episodes ago, but then change your mind and leave again. Make up your mind already.

It's plain bad writing and unneeeded angst and drama. Unless they are trying to play it off as the whole resonance thing is something they can't control. That's why Jin feels so automatically attached to Toa. Why Toa can't stop seeing Jin and why Kazuki is being such an asshole to everyone in general for having his toy stolen. Though someone I still think by the end Kazuki will get over it.

Kazuki makes me laugh though..... His douchebaggery knows no bounds.

Spoiler:

From RC summary :

Kazuki first asks how Jin feels to have someone precious taken from him and wonders if Jin understands his feelings a little now.

CRAWWWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN

Nobody understands your pain.

Spoiler:

Killing Jin's family likely was the reason why she left in the first place. It's probably the reason why she kept her distance for the years following the accident and why she's been so gloomy for most of the show. The fact he was frightened initially by her dragon form was just the catalyst for her running away. As you also find out in this episode, she has a mission she needs to complete and that's been waying heavily on her.

I don't think it's too unnecessary myself. One of the reasons is that it's brought Jin out of his mopey phase. Getting him out of that will allow the show to move forward. So having them come back together and then separate two episodes later does have some purpose. I just hope it isn't too long or the situation changes so they're together with the ISDA quickly and move on to the rest of the story.

As for Kazuki, man he's a douche but it does seem he isn't unreasonable and might revert to himself. He was shocked at the end when Jin had said Ai and he isn't an unreasonable guy because he actually was going to let Toa go. I hope they can do something to redeem him by the end of the series because if they do, it'll be nothing short of a miracle.

Highlight of the episode is definitely Widow though, she's awesome.

[Deathkillz]

Spoiler:

problem with toa is why the heck she got with him if she knew that she should be avoiding him in the first place...i just dont understand why she goes through all the crap about saying "you are no longer alone" when in the end its was her decision to leave him because she feels that she is responsible for his pain...i find her reason for running away because of jin's reaction towards her more acceptable that this new light

kazuki is lawl sauce...

that right...jin doesnt know anything about losing a precious one...wait he lost 3!!

[dahak]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu_Hikaru

If you allow me, anything with onsen on the moon ought to suck big time.

Why? Doesn't your design for a colony city on the moon include recreation facilities?

This is the ISDA in its guise as the progressive vanguard of human civilisation. Of course thier lunar city has a spa, rain and an excess of coffeeshops, alleyways and service tunnels. Also plenty of spare carparking space to leave giant armoured command trucks in.

It is not stoic pioneer Moon base Alpha so much as package holiday destination Von Braun provides park benches for the heroic mecha pilots to meet and angst on.

More Gundam Universal Century than Space 1999.

[Hakuryu_Hikaru]

Originally Posted by dahak

Why? Doesn't your design for a colony city on the moon include recreation facilities?

This is the ISDA in its guise as the progressive vanguard of human civilisation. Of course thier lunar city has a spa, rain and an excess of coffeeshops, alleyways and service tunnels. Also plenty of spare carparking space to leave giant armoured command trucks in.

It is not stoic pioneer Moon base Alpha so much as package holiday destination Von Braun provides park benches for the heroic mecha pilots to meet and angst on.

More Gundam Universal Century than Space 1999.

Honestly, the only thing I expect from my fiction is to suspend my disbelief. Given that I doubt that they would waste such a precious commodity as water in the moon on account of pathetic fanservice, this show for me, as a viewer,doesn't accomplish its ultimate purpose.
Not to mention that freaks me out to imagine what kind of guy would get aroused by pathological gigantic breasts. Furthermore, I watched the Shinken sub. When even the subbers can figure out what kind of show we're talking about here, I say, there's a problem.

[Shouta]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Spoiler:

problem with toa is why the heck she got with him if she knew that she should be avoiding him in the first place...i just dont understand why she goes through all the crap about saying "you are no longer alone" when in the end its was her decision to leave him because she feels that she is responsible for his pain...i find her reason for running away because of jin's reaction towards her more acceptable that this new light

kazuki is lawl sauce...

that right...jin doesnt know anything about losing a precious one...wait he lost 3!!

Ever do something you know you shouldn't but you couldn't resist? Same concept for Toa, I think. I guess it'd be like a girl having a jerk boyfriend but can't stop going back to him even though she knows she shouldn't and vice versa ('cept isn't a jerk, just emo, sometimes!)

Originally Posted by X207

looking over wikipedia's character info on this anime it says it hints that jin had a successful resonaonce when toa saved him (ie shuttle disaster). if this is true then why does g10 side with him instead of merging with toa in fights?

I bet this will be answered as series the goes on. It seems it'll be central to the plot what with how often it's pointed out.

[dahak]

Originally Posted by Hakuryu_Hikaru

Honestly, the only thing I expect from my fiction is to suspend my disbelief. Given that I doubt that they would waste such a precious commodity as water in the moon on account of pathetic fanservice, this show for me, as a viewer,doesn't accomplish its ultimate purpose.

Remind me never to live in any lunar colony you design.

The tech level in this show is somewhat higher than UFO or Star Cops or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and has Space 1999 or UC Gundam as a lower bound. They are past the pioneer stage of space colonisation.

Since Jin's parents can afford to ship him and Ai to the moon for a holiday while his mother is on a tour up thereas part of work and Ryoko, Saki and Megumi think of the lunar city as somewhere to go on vacation this is a long term mature colony that is an appropriate destination for middle class tourists.

Between recycling [and that city looks big enough to have an almost full scale water cycle] mining and diversion of icebearing apollo bodies there is no reason to consider water particularly precious compared with the ISDA's evident desire to make the moon a comfortable place to live.

To be honest the way the lunar city appears to be operating at 1g should probably be more of a problem that some planner deciding to use a relatively small part of his water budget to improve the morale of the citizens. The designers think regular rain makes sense which gives some indication of what resources they have to play with.

[Teletha]

Originally Posted by Shouta

Ever do something you know you shouldn't but you couldn't resist? Same concept for Toa, I think. I guess it'd be like a girl having a jerk boyfriend but can't stop going back to him even though she knows she shouldn't and vice versa ('cept isn't a jerk, just emo, sometimes!)

Yeah, that does make sense, but

Spoiler:

The main problem for me, is Toa x Jin doesn't click for me yet since I don't see a reason they are together in the first place. I can sort of understand Jin, who just wants someone so he's not alone (though he's still alone when he's with Gio ) She went from kissing him to constantly running away. Nothing explains why she went after him in the first place and then running away again after getting back together. Now I get where they are going with it, and she's drawn to him because of the shuttle incident. She's struggling with wanting to be with him, but knowing she will hurt him. I can see it, but I still don't think it's very well done right now. We need to know more of what she is feeling, and not after the fact. Being silently emo doesn't tell us anything. The show is still very enjoyable to me though.

[Hakuryu_Hikaru]

Originally Posted by dahak

Remind me never to live in any lunar colony you design.
.

It just so happens that I didn't design the Moon or wrote the laws of Physics.
In the moon, as far as human science knows, there's no atmosphere. If you create an artificial one, like they did, and somebody shoots blowing a window, everything that is in that pressurized environment will be fatally sucked into the vacuum. That's how things are, I didn't make then that way. For one things won't go down the drain.
Maybe in Planet Happiness one such a thing won't happen, so I think it would have been wise to put one onsen in Planet Happiness not in the Moon. It's kinda insulting my intelligence. But other intelligences obviously can bear with that.
I am not even questioning the intelligence of the character who shot, in the first place. I mean, there's such things as suicidal bombers, but he was also putting the lives of his *friends* in the line. What kind a friend/ally is that?
If it were to be Moon, how many people would actually survived that one? I mean, assuming that even the laws of Physics can be ignored, what kind of air were they breathing and how long can you survive without air. And if they can survive without air, why build such an expensive dome or something.
If you choose to ignore what the Moon is, it's your choice. IMO, either obey the laws in the Moon or don't call it Moon. Again, this sort of thing doesn't work to suspend my disbelief, if it works for yours, great. You know, one man's trash is another man's treasure and it's all good.
From Wikipedia:
According to science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, "a handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method."

[crinaea]

watching this show is like watching a train wreck.

you keep hoping that the headless burning orphans will come rolling out any minute.

...what, did they spend all the plot and character development money on blue drop or something? had none left over?

[Guido]

-Reflections of the Heart-

I just happened to watch the seventh episode already, and despite flashing shameless fanservice in the first half, the second half addressed interesting topics about Siegliende's past, Raina's meeting with Garnet, and new evidence about the complexity of the dragons' emotions.

Spoiler for Gio:

Gio's starting to experience a sense of desolation; a feeling of not belonging anywhere.

What is he exactly to Toa? and why he was borned to protect her?

Howling Star's words to him were weighing down in this episode, and for the next one as well.
He feels he's just interfering between Jin and Toa, and yet he cannot help but to step into the battlefield whenever Toa's in danger.

I do praise more and more his character due to the ambiguity of his emotions, and I cannot predict when he'll realize his true will, and the path his choices will lead him to.

Spoiler for The Spirytus incident:

Like the reporter found out checking Amagi's room and commented to Professor Kitajima on the last episode, there was a fiber in Amagi's room. The gist was that the fiber is a material used by the Jillard Army, and was a sort of a very expensive component.
More likely a fiber used on clothing by Jillard's high officers.

Currently, there's a high-ranking officer commanding in the Jillard Army as of present, and that's major Garnet Maclaine.

She definitely had visited Amagi, but for what purpose?

And there's the secret meeting she held with Raina in the lunar base.

I've read the notes for episode seven that ISDA doesn't manufacture or use firearm and explosive weapons, save for the dragons but those are more likely biological weapons harnessed for the purpose to destroy Thanatos.
However, the Jillard Army steps in to provide the use of firepower and weaponry for the purpose of security.

The two organizations have a concilliatory agreement to cooperate with each other, but Kiril in previous episodes has been leaking information to Garnet about the album and other issues that were related to the D-Project.

Garnet, on the other hand, sees this alliance only as a means to obtain for whatever costs needed the secret behind the Resonance that only ISDA has been able to master but her organization hasn't as of yet.

Spoiler for Siegliende:

Judging from her past it's very understandable why she conducts her attitude too focused on the mission, displaying only stern emotions.

She was left completely alone when her pet dog, 'Amadeus', and never found anyone whom she could identify or relate with in college, but even she was a genius girl, Siegliende was a still a kid during her college days facing an unknown environment to her filled with people twice as older to her in age.

But having met Jin more closely due to the onsen incident allow herself to recall those cherished memories and to open a little bit more honestly with her emotions.

Pretty ironic when at the start of the episode she scolded and berated Akira for having deduced that the latter let go off Jin, and at the end of the episode she lets Jin escape with Toa riding on Gio as she watches.

Spoiler for Widow:

When she was first introduced at the end of the fourth episode giving the handkerchief to Kazuki at first I thought she became attached to him due that she was looking for a master.

The truth, as she told him at the end of the episode, was that she empathized with him by looking at his eyes. She empathized with the pain of losing someone close and dear to her, and Kazuki happened to possess the same eyes of frustration and loneliness that she has, or so I presume.

If this is true, then it would give evidence that dragons are capable to develop complex emotions and affected more by the dynamics of relationships, and not just confined to the master-dragon relationship which all are supposedly borned with.

P.S. Kazuki truly pisses me off with his whiny, sore loser attitude, and I-changed-my-haircut-to-give-myself-a-bad-boy-look-so-I-can-take-revenge-on-my-childhood-friend-for-stealing-my-prized-dragon-from-me.

[Jeffry2009]

I Just watched episode 7 by shinsen subs. the most suprisingly part is at the end of the show where shinsen subs interviews characters from dragonaut(?)

KA---ZU----KI(?) *laughs*

[Hakuryu_Hikaru]

Originally Posted by crinaea

watching this show is like watching a train wreck.

you keep hoping that the headless burning orphans will come rolling out any minute.

...what, did they spend all the plot and character development money on blue drop or something? had none left over?

Blue Drop... No gratuituous elements, everything there has a reason to be. Tells you something, advances the plot. Everything has *meaning* it's important to the *story.*Not only that, but it can be read at so many levels. It so well written, I want to cry.One needs focus to read/watch fiction, as simply as that. And the writing there is always going to the point. Strangely enough, pretty much the same only survival thing. Beautifully worked on BD. Pathetic to say the least here.

[Matrim]

what, did they spend all the plot and character development money on blue drop or something? had none left over?

Blue Drop is not a Gonzo series, they are just in charge of the 3D graphics there.

Seriously, Kazuki has major mental deffincies. The deal he struck with Jin made no sense - neither of them can actually force Gio to return to kazuki once Toa was saved.
Anyway, I really liked how Gio punched the idiot and told him he was not his toy, so he wasn't stolen. Well, not exactly that but it was to this effect.

I think I see where Toa is coming from - she wanted to end Jin's depression so she stuck around him but in the end the guilt was too much so she felt obliged to tell him the truth. Sure, it could all have been handled better but I didn't find it too bad. What I find bad is this Widow suddenly deciding to obey an obvious psychopath like Kazuki. I wonder what the ISDA will do about the two of them.

According to science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, "a handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method."

That sounds more like hard science fiction, there is a lot of sci-fi out there that doesn't care about the scientific method and so on and is there only to entertain. This is a series in which the main character survived an explosion of a space shuttle, don't tell you that didn't get that realism was its last concern long ago?

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Matrim

there is a lot of sci-fi out there that doesn't care about the scientific method and so on and is there only to entertain. This is a series in which the main character survived an explosion of a space shuttle, don't tell you that didn't get that realism was its last concern long ago?

In which case, I would label it 'fantasy.'

[FlareKnight]

Wow Kazuki is so gone it's not even funny. "Jin isn't your master....I AM!!!!" Yeah...who wouldn't want to be your dragon? Really most people would just line up to be around you. Besides the fact it's like accusing Jin of taking his new bike. Almost say Gio should have hit him even harder just to make a point.

Yeah I think Toa just dropped the bomb on Jin so he'd let her leave and not follow. While I'm sure that's been on her mind before the dream refresher course she would have been happy to stay with him.

[Matrim]

In which case, I would label it 'fantasy.'

And you would be wrong according to me but the definitions of sci-fi and fantasy are too many so I'd rather not go into that. Let's just say that the definition by Heinlein is not at all the only one and there is a lot of sci-fi in which the science part is pretty much a joke.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Matrim

And you would be wrong according to me but the definitions of sci-fi and fantasy are too many so I'd rather not go into that. Let's just say that the definition by Heinlein is not at all the only one and there is a lot of sci-fi in which the science part is pretty much a joke.

I would say that 'science-fiction' applies to things which abide by known scientific facts or current theories. Fantasy does not.
I.E., Star Trek is science fiction, while Star Wars is fantasy.

[grey_moon]

Onsen on moon = low gravity jugs = heaven on earth (well the moon )

[Hakuryu_Hikaru]

Just a little clarification here. Is Toa Jin's sister? Shall we add Incest to the already long list of sundry pervertions fanservice here? Or they going to figure out that they're not *really* siblings?

Originally Posted by grey_moon

Onsen on moon = low gravity jugs = heaven on earth (well the moon )

And as for onsen on the moon, if the moon is like a dragon's fly away from earth, I still can't figure why don't they just fly back to earth, instead of spending a lot of money getting water there. Do dragons also serve to ferry water?
But kinda makes sense since Japanese love to watch the moon and be in onsen. When we think, it gets to make sense, somehow. I am just missing the rabbit on moon on that one, but never mind that...