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1. He fashioned creatures that weren't part of the destiny-symphony. When you don't stick to your script, problems are bound to happen later on. 2. He gave them life before even the Elves and Men were awoken on Middle Earth, which is kind of galling knowing that everyone (except Melkor and his posse) was working double time to prepare the world for the two races' arrival...and Aulė just does something else completely. However, as Aulė was about to crush his dwarf creations under his sledgehammer, Eru took pity on them and adopted this new race before putting them to sleep and compelling them to awaken MUCH later, after the Elves showed up on ME. But this measure of mercy didn't come without something like a curse and a warning: Quote:
As to the Dwarves' impact on the story...well, their greed was directly responsible for the fall of the Kingdom of Doriath and the death of Elu Thingol (the only non-Ainu to have ever married a Maia), so it's not certain what would have happened had Doriath survived until the end of the Third Age and participated in the subsequent events (who knows? maybe Melian could've seen Sauron for what he truly was and prevented his rise...so many what-ifs, so many possibilities). It should nevertheless be remarked that Beleriand sank beneath the waves before the Second Age, so Doriath's ruin might've been ineluctable, or its population might've eventually been forced to migrate to the Undying Lands due to the Valar's edict.
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2017-03-19, 12:03 | Link #543 | |
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I was even banned from a LOTR forum because I attacked multiple individuals due to their disdain for these Hobbit movies. Last edited by Engels; 2017-03-19 at 12:26. |
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2017-03-19, 12:44 | Link #545 | |
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But I get that that is your opinion. I should respect it, but I just would like to understand it. Last edited by Engels; 2017-03-19 at 13:16. |
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2017-03-19, 13:20 | Link #546 |
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I just remembered, and therefore would like to add, that PJ and the other screenwriters are big fans of Elves, so it's not surprising that there is ''elfservice''. It was already there in Lord of the Rings; it just got even more prominent in The Hobbit.
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2017-03-19, 13:48 | Link #547 | |
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As for taking things out of JRRT's work and extrapolating it in real life...the author states in the prologue of "the fellowship of the ring" that he does NOT want people to think that way (p.13-14). It is a work of pure fiction and as such, shouldn't be used to make comparisons to actual situations. |
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2017-03-19, 20:07 | Link #548 | |
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While I don't necessarily agree with every criticism, this struck a cord with me, probably because I was literally wondering "how much longer is this?" in the lead up to the movie's climax. The audience should be excited at that point in the film, not exhausted. I also found parts of the films too over the top -the escape from the goblins in the first film and the the stuff with Smaug in the mines in the second. Granted I find the action in a lot of modern films too over the top for my taste. I haven't seen the third film yet. I'd probably rather rewatch The Fellowship of the Ring. I think there's a lot to be said for keeping it relatively simple and being focused when making an adventure film. |
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I didn't think the length was a problem either until I watched the fan edit that cut out side fluff like Gandalf's adventures away from the dwarves (which, while good, really had nothing to do with what was happening in the Hobbit itself) and as much elf love stuff as they could.
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2017-03-31, 03:44 | Link #554 | |
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The attack on Laketown is the beginning of a new story - one that will draw men, elves and orcs to the Mountain. The attack on Laketown is the first act in the Battle of Five Armies - I think that's why they put it where they did. As for an incomplete story, that's true, but I don't think there's any way round that in a three-part adaptation, is there? The story can't be complete if there's another part to come. "The Battle for Helm's Deep [or possession of the Mountain] is over: the battle for Middle-earth is about to begin." Last edited by Engels; 2017-03-31 at 04:24. |
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2017-03-31, 07:56 | Link #555 |
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I think they should've cut down all that running around from the dragon a little and end the movie with the death of Smaug. If we compare it to the LoTR, imagine if Two Towers didn't show Isengard and Helm's Deep and instead thrown it into prologue of the Return of the King with a quick resolve. That would be pretty anticlimactic, wouldn't it?
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Plus, remember that in THE TWO TOWERS the Saruman storyline didn't get resolved and they moved that into ROTK (and it's all the more bad given that the original volume did end with the ''demise'' of Saruman AND Frodo getting captured by Shelob; all of that got moved into the final movie of the trilogy). |
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