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mangamuscle · 2022-11-15, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

If he wanted to wreck everything, he would run as a Democrat.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I see 0% chance of him getting a democrat nomination for ... just about any elected position, not now, not six years ago and not in the future.

The Green One · 2022-11-15, 22:37

It'd be funny to see the Republicans beg and plead for Trump to run as a Democrat.

Guardian Enzo · 2022-11-16, 00:47

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

If he wanted to wreck everything, he would run as a Democrat.

Wreck everything by getting 1% of the primary vote?

While a lot of Democrats would love to see TFG as the R nominee, the R party grandees are desperate to avoid it. Even some of the Breitbart types have soured on him since the midterms. The best-case scenario is he runs as a third-party candidate but the consensus is he has nowhere near the patience or organizational skills to make that happen.

He’ll certainly try and burn the party to the ground on the way out the door - it’s just a matter of how successfully.

GDB · 2022-11-16, 04:01

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

The best-case scenario is he runs as a third-party candidate but the consensus is he has nowhere near the patience or organizational skills to make that happen.

Why do people think this? He's already done it twice prior to joining up with the GOP.

Guardian Enzo · 2022-11-16, 04:57

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Originally Posted by GDB

Why do people think this? He's already done it twice prior to joining up with the GOP.

To what are you referring? He bailed on the campaign before it ever got started in 2000, and in any event he was running (if he'd actually run) in Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura's Reform Party, which had ballot access and matching funds. He didn't do any of the legwork at all.

cyberdemon · 2022-11-16, 17:07

Running as a third party would just divide the gop votes making it harder for them to secure the presidency. Running as a Republican though also makes it hard to win since he’s alienated himself from moderate votes as his record of his candidates this year showed. Without them he just has his hardcore base. The Republican Party needs someone who can get back their trust in the party. They’ll lose without the moderate voters.

If he runs he’ll likely lose regardless. He probably realizes this which is why he feels so threatened by DeSantis who is a strong name in the running. Trump could potentially lose in the primaries to him which is why he feels the need to threaten him not to run. His ego couldn’t take such a loss.

Guardian Enzo · 2022-11-17, 05:03

That's the whole point. If the Rs don't nominate him - either through the will of the primary voters or manipulation by the grandees - he'll want to burn the party to the ground. That's why he might run as a third party candidate, if he can get someone to do the actual work.

TFG has no loyalty to the party, or indeed to anyone but himself. If they spurn him he'll be desperate to exact revenge.

cyberdemon · 2022-11-17, 09:46

But could he handle losing twice? There are 2 scenarios here

1: he loses the primary and goes third party for revenge. The divided conservative base fails to elect him.
2: he wins the primary but due to the lack of moderate support he loses the general election.

Trump views losing as a weakness. So running third party will just be a humiliation to him.

Anh_Minh · 2022-11-17, 10:01

He hasn't, and won't lose. The elections have just been / will be stolen.

mangamuscle · 2022-11-17, 11:57

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon

But could he handle losing twice?

What are you talking about? He has been a loser all his life!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ump-taxes.html

He is a sore loser, nonetheless, but he is what I like to call a "stupid with initiative", he doesn't learn from his mistakes ... because they are not (in his mind) his in the first place, so he keeps going an going like a broken energeizer bunny.

The real question here is, would an established third party welcome him? Because make no mistake, trump would take possession of said party. Otherwise my prediction of him looking for shelter in another country might become true.

Key Board · 2022-11-17, 17:39

It's more obvious in the year 2022, that some people fall upwards

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Guardian Enzo · 2022-11-17, 17:53

Yes, Trump loves settling scores and would happily launch a third party campaign he knows would lose if it meant damaging the party that in his view spurned him. As has been noted, he’s really been a loser his whole life so he knows the drill. The issue is he won’t have any interest in the huge amount to legwork involved to actually get a third party candidacy on 50 ballots.

Ithekro · 2022-11-17, 19:32

If he tries to run, when and for how long does he manage to avoid the law.

cyberdemon · 2022-11-17, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

If he tries to run, when and for how long does he manage to avoid the law.

As a candidate, he is not protected from lawsuits or investigation. He’ll use it to galvanize his base though. However if he can’t secure the presidency then he’ll likely face some sort of punishment. He’s probably hoping it will but there is a limited window the justice department allows to avoid influencing elections which is considered around only 60 days from what I’ve read from legal experts. 2 years of campaigning won’t protect him.

The Green One · 2022-11-17, 22:18

He's hoping that he can play chicken with the DOJ about it so he can whine that it's a political witch hunt.

Guardian Enzo · 2022-11-17, 23:12

The bigwigs in the R party are desperately hoping Garland indicts him. They need to be rid of him at any cost but don’t want to risk alienating his supporters by doing anything publicly to suggest he’s not still their lord and master.

ramlaen · 2022-12-02, 15:58

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598778884639653891

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What really happened with the Hunter Biden story suppression by Twitter will be published on Twitter at 5pm ET!

Well this should be entertaining.

cyberdemon · 2022-12-02, 19:07

Has it started yet? Funny that they have announced big news then had to delay due to fact checking lol

ramlaen · 2022-12-02, 20:00

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Has it started yet? Funny that they have announced big news then had to delay due to fact checking lol

It certainly started on Elon time.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

MeoTwister5 · 2022-12-04, 01:47

Did I read the news correctly or did your former president-elect call for the trashing of the US constitution over webcam porn?

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