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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 162 | 45.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 8.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 8.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 42 | 11.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 1.96% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 1.40% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 10 | 2.80% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 40 | 11.20% | |
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2009-08-09, 15:28 | Link #821 |
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Although Kyoto Animation does good and faithful adaptations, their strengths is their weakness in this sense in Endless Eight case which they were too faithful that we got 8 loops of Endless Eight which caused rage. Of course some people will enjoy it, but most won't since there isn't really that much difference... but Kyoto Animation could of made it more interesting and make every Endless Eight episode different with different activities opposed to the same old thing over again or Kyon atleast attempt something different to try to break the loop.
What's done is done... Hopefully the last 5 episodes won't be as bad. (My count is off because of all those Endless Eights.)
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2009-08-09, 15:36 | Link #823 |
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I didn't feel that the characters were stupid at any time of this arc. You must notice that they don't remember the past iterations. What they did in the current loop may be different enough to break the loop, but they can't know. This uncertainty makes Kyon think that doing nothing may be a good option. And I can't believe that doing homework was an obvious way to break the loop, even spending another day together with the brigade wasn't obvious since they have been doing this for 2 weeks. Our extern point of view makes us think that it was easy to guess but if you try to put yourself into kyon's shoes, things are really not the same.
Besides, Kyon was the only one who was supposed to do something. Yuki have to observe, Mikuru is lost because she can't receive orders anymore and Koizumi seems to be enjoying the loop. So I don't understand people saying they are losing on purpose. Koizumi may be, but he would be the only one. I even think this arc was good for the characters. I like Koizumi much more now that I've seen E8. And the characters showed some of their weaknesses in this arc, this is one of the reason why I liked it. I think the amount of variation between loops was almost perfect. Enough to enjoy the difference, not too much to remain faithful to the novel. And too much variation would have killed the suspense since we know (among others) that the frog costume is present in the club room afterwards. It was a really weak story in the novel, they made it awesome PS : I registered to comment on this thread but I forgot half of what I wanted to say xD. Sorry if my english is bad, i'm not english-speaking. Last edited by zriL; 2009-08-09 at 16:32. |
2009-08-09, 15:39 | Link #824 | ||
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Endless Eight is basically KyoAni reinterpreting those 30 pages into something it never was intended to be. That's why the ending was an overblown anticlimax, it wasn't the end of a story arc, just the end of a really weird anecdote. Quote:
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2009-08-09, 15:49 | Link #825 | |
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Well, this passage is what I base my theory on: Spoiler for Endless Eight novel passage:
To me, this implies that in this situation she is not allowed to affect something created by Haruhi Suzumiya (this abnormal time loop). Instead, she is ordered by the DITE to observe Haruhi's powers during this event. If someone manages to stop the loop DITE wants to make sure Yuki didn't play a large part in it in order to get the most information possible. Or who knows, maybe she is secretly observing Kyon for information, too, and thus DITE wants to see how he ends it on his own.
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2009-08-09, 16:56 | Link #827 |
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Yuki doesn't yet know how to effect Haruhi directly, thus can't effect the time-loop.
It is entirely possible Yuki tried everything during the first several thousand loops with no resolution. Thus by the 15,000 she's given up completely. Since we only see from 15,498 onwards, we can't even say what she did during say loop 136.
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2009-08-09, 17:28 | Link #830 |
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Not that I'm any less irked about Endless Eight, but I just thought of something when I thought of the telescope scene. When Haruhi reset time, was the reset localized around the our solar system (Mars would have to be reset at least, or the Brigade members would have noticed) or did it effect the entire galaxy or the whole universe? The main thing I'm not sure of is, if it was just that the Earth and the other planets were reset, when Earth returned it's particular position in orbit around the sun on the night of the telescope viewing, the sky would have appeared the same even if the time-loop was only localized. Or would there have been any noticeable changes in the stars themselves over the course of nearly 600? And even if they weren't noticeable to the naked eye, if the rest of the universe had been moving, wouldn't someone at NASA have noticed?
The reason this is so intriguing is, that if Haruhi even reset just our galaxy, her influence would have to travel faster than light to manipulate data hundreds of thousands of light years away. Then Haruhi would not only be able to trample all over Newtonian physics with the Tenshins, but Eistenian physics as well. |
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2009-08-09, 17:32 | Link #832 | |
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Hmm...that seemed a little ramble-ish. Sorry lol
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2009-08-09, 17:39 | Link #833 | |
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2009-08-09, 17:49 | Link #834 |
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It also depends on how the DITE handle time. If they are non-linear, then the entire concept of the loop means nothing to them since they are both before and after the loop. However their observers (or at least just Yuki) are trapped in the loop in a linear form. Sure she might know that the loop will end, but she might not have bothered to find out on which time around. It is also possible that the ending of the loop in a variable and it changes universe to universe, thus the DITE can't predict its ending down to the last loop's number.
As for Haruhi...if she couldn't break the laws of physics than the DITE would have no interest in her.
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2009-08-09, 17:53 | Link #835 |
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Yeah, I think maybe Yuki's trapped in the loop and DITE isn't, but because of the DITE's objective she is not given the information as to how the loop ends or when it will end (so as not to reveal that to the others). I think for this event she is allowed to answer their questions truthfully (current loop number, variations, etc. Basically stuff she does know) but other than that she is meant to observe what happens. Which might explain why some people saw Yuki 'surprised' when Kyon finally thought of something at the cafe. She honestly had no idea when or how it would end.
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2009-08-09, 18:15 | Link #836 |
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Ah, but, for all the hubbub about it, the "Haruhi is God" theory is only believed by certain members of the Organization. But it's hard to a lot of other explanations. If she's not God, maybe she was given her powers by God; perhaps a Job-esque challenge from the Devil was involved (and can't think of the terms though). Or perhaps, Haruhi "collided with God" (a la Futurama) and gained the power to remake the universe, only without the omniscience part.
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2009-08-09, 18:20 | Link #837 | |
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I'm open to most of these possibilities (the Futurama one's a bit too silly for me to take seriously). |
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2009-08-09, 18:22 | Link #838 | |
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2009-08-09, 18:35 | Link #839 |
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There is the distinct possibility that they can't "get rid of her". How do you take out someone that can change the entire universe just because she's losing a baseball game or reset all time because she's unfulfilled or lonely on her last day of summer?
Also...isn't that power what they are after? The ability to make something from nothing? To take the next step in their evolution? There are already shown to be out side of the four dimentions and perhaps even five dimentions if Yuki can remember everything that happened in the Endless Eight and can effectively sync with her future-past selves. They've been shown to be able to alter matter at the subatomic level so that a desk can be made into a long metal spear, or a destroyed classroom can be recreated in exacting detail. They can change the mass of themselves it would seem (if Yuki can be made to seem weightless on Kyon's bike that would imply a change in mass). You'd think they wouldn't need Haruhi...but they do.
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