2013-06-18, 06:16 | Link #4941 | |
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Though we're all a bit silly to "explain" physical concepts with "magic". |
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2013-06-18, 06:23 | Link #4942 | ||
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there was no collision. so yeah, Tatsuya can't do nuclear reaction. |
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2013-06-18, 06:34 | Link #4944 | |
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The post above you hit all the key points though. Material Burst has nothing to do with a nuclear reaction. Nuclear reaction (both fission and fusion) involve changing atoms around(with the excess energy being the explosion), while Tat's magic totally annihilates the matter. See antimatter weapon. That right there is why the USNA freaked out. The other reason is nuclear weapons are banned worldwide in the story. So Miguel Diaz's magic would set the world's governments against the USNA, while Tat's magic is perfectly legal. |
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2013-06-18, 07:21 | Link #4948 | |
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2013-06-18, 07:25 | Link #4949 |
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probably Nuclear Fusion had never been invented in this universe.
Hydrogen Bomb has no radioactive waste again i forget tatsuya in the development of a thermonuclear fusion reactor......... yeah they still don't invent nuclear fusion ehhhh from whsie post his magic is Nuclear Fusion, probably it's Legal |
2013-06-18, 07:30 | Link #4950 | |
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2013-06-18, 07:36 | Link #4951 | |
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Expect the science to be at least as advanced as the real world unless it says otherwise. |
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2013-06-18, 07:38 | Link #4952 | ||
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2013-06-18, 07:47 | Link #4953 |
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I phrased that wrong, the material leftover from fusion is not radioactive, but it still emits neutrinos which are harmful to the environment.
The damage is relatively short lived (50-100 years instead of thousands of years), but its still probably against the treaty. Anyway, im out. Im not at my best for answering questions when I've already been up like 20 hours. |
2013-06-18, 07:53 | Link #4954 | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2...gy_equivalence
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okay, let's get down for a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reaction Spoiler for Nuclear reaction:
and like you said, there are Nuclear fusion and Nuclear Fission. During this process, some mass "disappears" and leave behind its energy, but there will be some "leftover" in the form of material products (from the reaction) or radiation However, for Tatsuya, you could say that he himself induces matter to "disappear" to emit energy without leaving any, I mean ANY, "leftover" => BANG, a pure blast of energy is produced
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2013-06-18, 08:35 | Link #4955 |
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He's right actually, by description, fusion is the collide of two atomic nuclei to make a new atomic nuclei, while fision is the decay of an atomic nuclei. The interesting here is, for fusion, when the two atom nuclei that collide is lighter than iron, nuclear fusion actually generate energy. The reason for this is because the two particle collide at such high speed that The law of mass conservation doesn't hold(nuclei C, the result of collision between nuclei A and B is lighter than combined mass of nuclei A and B). The difference between the mass result in energy being generated. The opposite happen when the two atomic nuclei is heavier than iron(the two nuclei absorb energy to do fusion reaction instead of generating it). For fission reaction, the opposite requirement is needed. When the mass of the decaying atomic nuclei is heavier than iron, energy is generated while if the mass of the decaying nuclei is lighter than iron, it needs energy to decay. this is also why fission reaction is more dirty, the result of the decay is the radiation that we're afraid of, and they will keep decaying until the mass is small enough.
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2013-06-18, 10:53 | Link #4956 |
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I have't look into any of that nuclear stuff since if there is any war, i will throw every single stuff i can get my hand on at the enemy. Fusion, fission, doesnt matter that much.
BUT there is one thing i can say for sure this thread probably has the most conversations about realistic stuff and science. For that, i love you all!!! (Everyone except CatRules since suddenly i feel the urge to bully him)
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2013-06-18, 11:54 | Link #4958 |
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.................................................. ............... to think a casual statement could spark a page of posts
I'm not talking about Tatsuya's Material Burst being identical to a nuclear reaction. So debating about whether it constitutes a nuclear reaction or not and the radioactive waste comparison is kind of moot to me. I'm just saying that it's 'equivalent', ie. with respect to the point that it involves matter converted to energy (e=mc2). Like what Mentar said, in a nuclear reaction (let's not go into semantic specifics for the layman), simplistically speaking, there is a change in mass of matter (at the nuclei level) which is converted to or from energy; more specifically, usually the case where a small loss in mass of matter is equated by a large increase in energy (by a factor of 'the square of speed of light'). Of course, MB doesn't work in the same in the same way as a nuclear reaction in terms of the 'how' part. But, it's pretty much equivalent in the sense that matter is converted into energy, is what I was trying to say. Radioactive-waste free, not radiation-free. If energy travels, there is radiation. For eg, Infra-radiation = heat. |
2013-06-18, 13:01 | Link #4960 | |
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As previously pointed out several times in this thread, mass and energy are equivalent. It is not simply that one can be turned into the other, the two properties are inextricably linked. Due to this fact, any process that releases energy involves a conversion of mass into energy. Take burning firewood, for instance. After burning it, if you were to weigh the ashes, the carbon dioxide gas and any other products of the reaction with an incredibly precise and accurate set of scales, you would find that they would be lighter than the wood and oxygen that went into making them. This is because some of the mass-energy was lost in the form of heat. By the same token, all else being equal, a spent battery is lighter than a charged one, a relaxed spring is lighter than a compressed one, a cold object is lighter than a hot one and so on and so forth. You can google these facts if you don't believe me. The only reason we don't notice this in our every day lives is that the variations in mass are imperceptible in most contexts. However if you were able to, for instance, heat up an object to absurd temperatures and somehow prevent it from exploding in a ball of plasma and killing everyone in its vicinities, you would be able to increase its mass indefinitely. On a side note, some of you may be wondering how this works on an atomic level. In the case of the firewood example, the number and types of atoms on both sides of the reaction are the same, so common sense would dictate at first that the mass shouldn't vary. The answer to this is that chemical bonds have negative energy proportionate to the stability of the bonds. The total negative energy of the chemical bonds after the combustion is "greater" than that of those existing before it, accounting for the decrease in mass. Similar changes can be seen in all sorts of chemical reactions and contexts. A dioxygen molecule, for instance, is slightly lighter than two free oxygen atoms. What makes nuclear reactions so special is that they can convert mass to energy at an extremely high efficiency. Fission, for instance, converts a whopping 0.1% of mass into energy on average. This doesn't sound like much, but that's still millions of times more efficient than, say, burning fossil fuels. Fusion is even better, capable of converting 0.5% on average. However, Tatsuya's Material Burst beats them all with 100% conversion, making it approximately 200 times more efficient than a hydrogen bomb, placing it on the same level as matter-antimatter annihilation (better, in fact, since a lot of energy in annihilation gets dispersed in the form of neutrinos), with the added benefit that he can decompose any form of matter. To conclude, it doesn't make any more sense to compare Material Burst to a nuclear reaction than it does to a chemical one. It is, however, still awesome and ridiculously powerful. That concludes my lecture. That'll be 100 gil. |
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