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Old 2017-04-14, 03:43   Link #1
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Case Closed - Crimson Love Letter

With its theatrical release, on April 15, 2017, this 21st "Detective Conan" film comes with a competitive karuta inspired theme. Aoyama-sensei's love for "Chihayafuru" is a good enough reason to get Suetsugu-sensei involved in promotional activities, too, if you ask me. At least, that's my excuse for posting this thread.

The brief Cimema Today write up, in Japanese, for their latest collaboration includes a clip of them together drawing some more
Spoiler for artwork:

Not to wander too far off topic right from the OP, here is the film's official web site.
The title and imagery on that site does make me curious if Hyakunin Isshu poetry is used symbolically in the film.
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... and while on the subject of Chihayafuru, filming for a Live Action sequel is scheduled throughout May and June 2017. Publication of Suetsugu's manga serialisation resumes May 15.

Edit to add (Sat. April 15):
ANN picked up the story. In "Manga Artists of Detective Conan and Chihayafuru Team Up with Collaborative Illustration", Amanda Whalen provides, among other things, translations from their exchanges.

One of the Conan film trailers makes it clear that animated karuta match play is incorporated into its narrative. The trailer opens with an exciting and hopefully meaningful recitation of
Spoiler for poetry:
That trailer, embedded:


Edits on Aprll 16 & 17: As entries from moviegoers to opening weekend screenings had not quite come to an end on Sunday evening, it already looked like this film had been doing quite well for itself. At the time the Eiga.com page for it placed it fourth overall, with four stars on average based on submitted reviews.

In the weekly weekend admissions ranking chart, as published on the site on Monday, April 17, 2017, the opening weekend, nation wide across 352 cinemas on 368 screens, comfortably landed Conan on top. As ANN put it into English:21st Detective Conan Film Earns Franchise's Highest Opening Weekend Box Office, "... , sold 987,568 tickets and earned 1,286,928,000 yen (about US$11.88 million) in its opening Saturday-Sunday weekend, setting a new opening weekend record for the franchise."

Edit, April 19, 2017, to add a little more about the title:
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Edit, April 20:
This in turn can be tied in to the following snippet from the transcript of the conversation. Suetsugu is quoted as having said:
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早く蘭ちゃんを安心させてあげて!と思います。笑 でも、そうしたら話が終わっちゃうのかな?とも思ったり 。。。だからみなさんも想像するんでしょうね。私、京極君も好きなんですよ。園子ちゃんとのシーンがみたい ですね!
It doesn’t come as a complete surprise that she would say something like this at a joint event like that but I hope to convey the positive side of such a remark. It seems to me that she means this as a mild admonition of the audience and not as an indication that she herself thinks about stories in those terms. Not necessarily and certainly not exclusively.

Spoiler for Trailer and depictions of "Hyakunin Isshu":

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Old 2017-04-21, 16:03   Link #2
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Let me guess, it's going to end with something happening to Ran and Conan/Shinichi will save her... again, like in almost every movie.

Love the series but man if there was anything I would change it would be their relationship which got tired of half way through the anime.
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And so Japan's population continues to dwindle at an alarming rate as victims pile up with normal everyday joes suddenly turn into criminal masterminds as if influenced by the appearance of a certain group who by some cosmic happenstance, always seem to be at the scene of the crime.
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Eh? They're going to use the movie as the actual introduction (i.e. introduction between characters, since in the manga she has yet to reveal herself to Conan and his friends) to Heiji's fiancée?

That's peculiar: usually the CC movies are just standalone stories that have little to no impact on the manga storyline itself. They are supposedly canon, but Gosho Aoyama doesn't exactly go out of his way to incorporate them into his manga (even by vague references and whatnot).
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Old 2017-04-21, 18:56   Link #5
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Let me guess, it's going to end with something happening to Ran and Conan/Shinichi will save her... again, like in almost every movie.
You guessed wrong.
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Old 2017-04-23, 11:36   Link #6
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any spoilers on this movie yet? Very interested in the kazuha-heiji-momiji triangle
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Old 2017-04-23, 13:43   Link #7
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That suggestion appears to have been made with this special clip, released back in December 2016, hosted on Toho's YouTube channel. The recitation of a poem at the very beginning leads to the picture of that poem's "Yomifuda", its "reading card" with the full text and the poet's portrait. Eight seconds into the clip the card is held up by -and thereby perhaps purposely associated with- a specific character from the story.
Mostow wrote in his commentary on the poem that it was included in the first book of love poems for the Shūishū or Shūi Wakashū, the third imperial anthology of waka compiled around the year 1005.
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any spoilers on this movie yet? Very interested in the kazuha-heiji-momiji triangle
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Old 2017-04-23, 17:08   Link #8
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any spoilers on this movie yet? Very interested in the kazuha-heiji-momiji triangle
If you only want spoilers on Heiji/Momiji/Kazuha
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Old 2017-04-23, 18:46   Link #9
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When is this kid ever going to return back to his adult self? Is it that popular in Japan? Poor kid.
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Old 2017-04-23, 21:49   Link #10
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When is this kid ever going to return back to his adult self? Is it that popular in Japan? Poor kid.
Not just yet. Yes, quite popular. The animated series is still running weekly at prime time too. This film appears to have held up well over its second weekend in cinemas as well. Dropping to number two, according to the ranking chart released on Monday, April 24, 2017. ANN translates the numbers corresponding with this weekend's number two position into: "The film sold 580,000 tickets in its second weekend for a box office intake of 748 million yen (about US$6.8 million)".

Side note: The upcoming weekend will be the start of golden week (... with Shōwa no Hi falling on the first Saturday this year.)
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Mostow wrote in his commentary on the poem that it was included in the first book of love poems for the "Shūishū" or "Shūi Wakashū", the third imperial anthology of waka compiled around the year 1005 CE.

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In the translation provided in Edwin A. Cranston's, "A Waka Anthology, Volume Two: Grasses of Remembrance" (2006), that poem is worded slightly different:
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Do people in Japan want him to return, is that the question?

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Also perhaps noteworthy, on the subject of reversal. Curiously, the cards depicted in the promotional artwork and those used in some of the scenes showing karuta matches, do not have the distinctive kaede/maple motif as used on the reverse of the standard karuta competition set. Visible in other scenes. On the back of the face-down cards scattered at 0:24 in the 1:33min trailer, for example, and in this gif. An illustration of the pattern can also be found on page four of this Tengudo karuta catalogue PDF.

… and belatedly adding that the University of Virginia (UVa) hosts probably the most accessible translation online, into present day Japanese and English, of this poem. As part of its collaborative Japanese Text Initiative.

Update, April 29.
ANN: 21st Detective Conan Film's English-Subtitled Trailer Streamed ahead of overseas theatrical release dates.



Update, the second of May.
... the translation of the poem recited at the very beginning of the English subtitled trailer appears to be original.

Ranking for the weekend of April 29/30. Held onto second, according to the list published on Tuesday, May 2nd, 2017.

Update, one month later.
"Kara Kurenai Love Letter" finally relinquished second place, after its seventh weekend in the rankings as posted on Eiga.com. The "21st Detective Conan Film Earns 6.35 Billion Yen, Sets New Record For Film Franchise". "The film has sold 4,948,000 tickets since opening in Japan on April 15." - per ANN.

I also like it that people who watched the film have started showing up in comment sections for karuta related videos online.

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Old 2018-01-27, 07:30   Link #11
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Slightly morbid re-interpretations of the poems / re-evaluations of the poets. Broadcast today, January 27, 2018, on: 世界一受けたい授業

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Old 2018-04-18, 04:54   Link #12
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Postponed one week -to make room for the broadcast of Grave of the Fireflies and a brief retrospective of Isao Takahata's career- the film is scheduled to air for the first time on regular TV this upcoming Friday.

https://kinro.jointv.jp/lineup/20180420

Meanwhile 名探偵コナン ゼロの執行人 (Meitantei Conan: Zero no Shikkōnin) "Detective Conan: Zero The Enforcer" has been doing well in theatres since its release last Friday.
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Old 2018-04-18, 13:47   Link #13
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I actually enjoyed this film more than the other Conan film, probably because of the shift in focus.
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Old 2018-04-18, 15:13   Link #14
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Do people in Japan want him to return, is that the question?
Why not? I'm sure that everyone who got hooked up with Detective Conan were intrigued by Shinichi's journey to find the cure that would bring him back to his true form. And as in any journey, there must be an end in sight somewhere down the road. People naturally want to see the end of that road.

Since we are in the realm of past references and quotes, remember Christopher Nolan:

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Every great story demands a great ending
As much as we loved Bruce Wayne's journey as the Dark Knight, we wanted to see how this would end as long as we can have a great ending to the saga. In the case of Detective Conan, people want to see that great ending. Gosho Aoyama should be able to deliver that grand finale people always wanted to see.

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Old 2018-04-19, 04:33   Link #15
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Why not?...
For whatever this is worth, I don't get the impression Aoyama works with a conclusion in mind and I don't think this impression bothers the people I know who are/have been watching the animated series / films with a similar approach / mindset - fairly casually but for years now and "we" no doubt constitute a tiny sample. That particular predicament occupies very little of "our" thoughts. Others may disagree with our assessment. My personal interest was -also- almost exclusively in this particular film which -to me- stands out because it is inspired by Chihayafuru and karuta.

[Each episode, arc or case is self-contained, each with their own resolution, but I don't think the series is constructed as steady, linear progression towards the end of the series itself and I don't think that is either the goal or the reason people stay interested although there will eventually be a solution to several central questions which "we" expect will be resolved in the series ending.]


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金曜ロードSHOW!・名探偵コナンから紅の恋歌 日本テレビ 18/4/20(金) 21:00-114 10.8%
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