2009-01-09, 21:09 | Link #1181 | |
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And here's also something that should be taken into consideration, "With great power comes great responsibility" then there's also the belief that people with the power to help others should use that power. Again that's your opinion, and your entitled to have it, but like I said before I said before if the discomfort of one person can save a over a thousand lives, then, guess what? That person will be feeling that discomfort, because quite frankly I value the lives of thousands of people more than the I value the discomfort of some immature 16 year old girl. I still don't understand you, by the way, mostly because like I said when faced with the facts of the situation I don't care, about what Ranka is feeling, because to me her feelings don't matter because in a situation like that her feelings don't matter to me. |
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2009-01-09, 21:14 | Link #1182 | |
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2009-01-09, 21:28 | Link #1183 |
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Anyone who sits there and gripes and bitches about hating a character and why you hate them so much is really childish *For any character, but mostly Ranka*
I love Ranka- she's a very wonderful character in many aspects- and if you don't see those qualities, then that's fine =3 Just as Sheryl, I see some wonderful qualities in her too- I really like Sheryl, she's a wonderful character, I just like Ranka a bit more... I believe it's ok to dislike a character who you are not fond of, but I'm not one to appreciate bashing in any sort or way... *And I'm not only speaking up for Ranka, but for any poor character that get's bashed to death* And for the people who believe that Ranka didn't grow up, well that's your opinion, but I honestly believe that Ranka did grow up a bit... not as much as I would have liked- I believe that there was quite a bit more room for some character development, but you do see her growing up a bit through out the series... *Hopefully the movie will have a bit more development* And I just have to get this out of my system after reading what people say- For the people who are always saying- "Well, honestly the interaction between Sheryl and Alto was WAY more realistic for a relationship than Ranka and Alto" Ano... last I checked everyone has a different personality- whether it be shy, outgoing, flirtacious, childish, etc, etc....- Ranka and Alto's relationship is most definitely realisitc- I'm a very shy person, especially when it comes to boys and I'm always being found very cute and somewhat childish in the way I act *But I am a bit more mature now* but I have gone on dates and hung out with boys where you don't always need to be touching and flirting with the other guy for it to seem like a more realistic relationship or whatever =P Just wanted to prove a point... and now I'm finished ranting. |
2009-01-09, 21:40 | Link #1184 | |
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Oddly enough, the strength of Alto and Sheryl's relationship lies in their quiet moments together, much moreso than their banter. The banter makes the pairing fun to watch, but once you move past that, many of their interactions have a great deal of depth to them. I suspect that's what people are referring to.
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I don't doubt that Kawamori intended to have her act as a bridge between the two species. I think the problem is entirely in the presentation. |
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2009-01-09, 21:47 | Link #1185 | |
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I really think you should be a bit less presumptuos to try to tell me that I donīt "understand" what you are saying. I fully understand your point, it just appears to me to be ostentatious wishy-washy flowery wishful thinking. There was a war going on, thousands of people had just been killed. Running off to "listen to your heart" is no option there for anybody with even a shred of self-respect and dignity. Itīs the act of an egotistical coward. Ranka failed. Big time. Sheryl immediately stepped up when she was asked to give up her life for the people of Frontier, which wasnīt even really her home to begin with. And, no, Sheryl didnīt agree to sing for Alto alone, as Ranka did. That was shown quite well after Sheryls talk with Luca and Leon. Geez, the more I think I about it, the more my disgust for Ranka glimmers to life again. SK really dropped the ball on her character. I mean, what was the lesson he wanted to impart with her behaviour to us? That you can be as irresponsible, cowardly and dependent as you like, as long as you are enough of a moe-blob, then everybody will forgive you?
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2009-01-09, 21:55 | Link #1186 | |
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2009-01-09, 22:25 | Link #1188 |
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What better time than when such a power is needed, like when an entire fleet, with over one thousand civilians are in danger, of an attack, from a advanced species with the potential to wipe them out, and only you have the power to stop said species?
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2009-01-09, 22:35 | Link #1191 |
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So then you would let a young prince take the throne and rule the country as he wants without any advisor?
This is something what the person who bears that power has to say. Neither you, I or somebody else has the right to decide that.
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All in all the writers totally abandoned the character development of all three mains after the scene on that "higher plane" where Ranka cured Sheryl. They went instead for the happy-go-lucky finish, which is fine in a way, but a shame for all the wasted character plotlines. Quote:
*edit* God, itīs almost 5 a.m. here... Beto, take over, please. ^^
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2009-01-09, 22:45 | Link #1193 | |
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2009-01-09, 23:03 | Link #1194 | |
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Right. So, if you have the power to stop someone from dying - and by doing it wouldn't harm you even a little - and you don't save said someone... I can't say you're a heartless, horrible, irresponsible person?
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2009-01-09, 23:37 | Link #1195 | |
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I would save that persons life. But you already pointed depending on how much it harms me I would reask for refusal and try to find alternative methods to cure. If it means to sacrifice my life for one battle then would it not be a waste if the war still goes on? I am no use if I died unneccesarily. May sound arrogant now but I would always try to find more than one methods to solve an issue and also spare my own life for a higher goal.
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2009-01-10, 00:43 | Link #1196 | |
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But historically, many young princes held themselves up pretty well. Genghis Khan, for example. Quote:
I also get irritated when some fans would state something like "but Ranka, like, totally deserves Alto" as if Alto was a thing to be shoved around with. As if Alto was not a human being with feelings. No, its not who deserves who, but its which relationship can Alto and _insert name here_ reach the greatest equilibrium. - Tak
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2009-01-10, 07:39 | Link #1198 |
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I did not mean to go too far into history and comparing any royalties or great historical persons. The question was if he still feels right about puting someone into a positon with authorization to decide even though that person still did not reach the mental capability do make right decisions... but Beto just avoided my question by going into history.
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2009-01-10, 07:48 | Link #1199 | |
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Ranka just put him onto a pedestal and didnīt show the slightest interest into getting to know him as a person until the very end .
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2009-01-10, 08:11 | Link #1200 | |
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Ranka is more difficult. Creating a love story is here way to complicated and would take too much time to create a love relationship. And putting someone into a central position to desire is not wrong at least not until you openly force him to love you.
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