(L) Seirei Gensouki: Spirit Chronicles

[Mirable]

Originally Posted by jagt

I think Rio is the hero sent by the seventh wise god the seirei no tami talked about in volume 2 and 4, that Aisia is a spirit artificialy created by that god, maybe from uniting the other six high class high level spirits into a new one or maybe completely from scratch, until now the only other human beings that have a magic power quantity in the same level of Rio are the heroes, the only other ones capable of suddenly using spirit arts the same as Rio are the heroes too, so their divine railment must be some kind of artifact that imitates the effect of contracting a humanoid spirit, maybe their weapons have the high spirits sealed inside or maybe the gods stole a great part of those spirits powers to seal it into the raiments and almost dying and weakened those spirits met the seventh god and fused then into Aisia, that would explain too why the heroes appeared after the dissapperance of the spirits.

You should use edit button buddy.

It was stated by Aisia about the amount of mana between normal magician such as Seria, Hero and Rio.

Seria = one glass of water.
Hero = Lake.
Rio = Ocean.

Alice who can see other people's mana even said that Rio has mana more than all of elite magician in kingdom combine together and maybe even more than hero.

[jagt]

Originally Posted by Mirable

You should use edit button buddy.

It was stated by Aisia about the amount of mana between normal magician such as Seria, Hero and Rio.

Seria = one glass of water.
Hero = Lake.
Rio = Ocean.

Alice who can see other people's mana even said that Rio has mana more than all of elite magician in kingdom combine together and maybe even more than hero.

I remember that conversation with Celia, Rio and Aisia being a little different.

Spoiler for volume 6:

Rio, Aisia and Celia were flying until reaching a good place near Amande to set the rock house there.

They enter the house and Rio says Celia to change clothes and to take a bath ,Aisia and Celia have a bath together, they met Rio in the living room after changing clothes.

They began to explain Celia that Rio has memories of the previous life, because of that he can talk to the people from other world, they talk about what spirits arts and spirits are.

The topic change to what Celia did during the last four years, she talks about her magic tool to measure magic power, she says that she has enough to use superlative magic twice and then she says that was unable of measuring the heroe's and his friends' magic power, but they have at least enough magic power to use superlative magic ten times in a row, then Aisia talks about her capacity to see how much magic power someone has by entering in them.

She says that if Celia is a tub then Rio is a very deep lake and that she can't see the bottom, Miharu, Aki and Masato have a lot too but they aren't like Rio.

I remember the conversation between Liliana and her scorts you mean being a little different too.

Spoiler for volume 10:

Rio has just used the surname Amakawa in front of everyone and Satsuki took Rio and Miharu to her room to ask them several things, Takahisa wants to go too but Satsuki tells him to not come.

While Rio talks to Miharu and Satsuki Takahisa is waiting while ansious and worried about what they're talking about, Liliana tells him to try to sleep a little on his bed to calm himself and he obeys.

When he is out of the room Liliana asks Alice if Rio really has more magic power than Takahisa, then she says than last night by just a moment there was the same magic power coming out from Rio than From Takahisa, maybe more maybe less, she isn't sure and she says she couldn't see Rio's bottom at all, the other hear that and are terrified of thinking than a sole human has the same magic power that all their court magicians together.

Besides when I said that the heroes had a magic power in the same level as Rio what I meant was that theirs are at least in the same order of magnitude instead of the desperate and insurmountable difference between Rio and the rest of humans of that world.

[Mirable]

^Your point is Rio and hero's mana can't be measured right? if so then i can agree with that.

Don't forget that Rio make a contract with high-rank spirit like Aisia, that's make Rio has a great advantage among the rest. (Even though Rio has to feed his mana to Aisia everyday, he still has more power enough to kick Lucius and hero's ass.)

[ReiKazumi]

The day when Alice look at rio's magic power is in his daily basis and in minimum state...not even same amount when he face up Alfred in volume 12....you must consider Rio also using minimum of his skill in spirit art in front outsidet

[jagt]

We mean when Rio used the strenghtening spirit arts for fighting against the assassins at the end of volume 9, the next day she kept looking atentively at Rio's magical power from Liliana's back, and then as you say she just saw Rio letting out the minimum magical power, but for activating his spirit arts even if he doesn't use his strongest attacks he needs to let his magic power flow out of him for at least a moment, and at that time Rio lowered his guard a little too because he assumed that there isn't anyone able of seeing magic power in the Stralh region, in fact Alice in the Wn can't see magic power, she's just very good perceiving it.

[silenceblade]

I am surprise Alice could sense it since even Gouki couldn't see through MC's abilities or his magic barrier.

In the WN, the MC has been hiding his ODO not to mention humans' spirit art users appear weaker than in the LN.

I guess in the LN, the author is trying to balance out everyone power so the MC isn't so overpowering. In the first place, Ceria doesn't have even enough magical power to use superlative scale magic even once in the WN.

[Roberto1]

Originally Posted by jagt

I already told you in the WN thread that Satsuki is just beginning to have feelings for Rio herself and that she's taking completely the rol of Miharu's supporter, in the LN after seeing how much Satsuki trusted Miharu Rio decided it was fine for him to trust her the same, and Satsuki answered that trust trusting Rio herself without thinking it, because of this and because of Satsuki having a direct and brave personality they got along fast, but this is just as friends, if you ask in what moment her feelings began to change I would say that during the conversation she has with Rio after their duel, then she thinks this about Rio "I'm beginning to understand why Miharu-chan can't let him alone, he doesn't look like it but he's this stuborn and clumsy", but if we put together all the time they spent together in the LN it's just two weeks, three at longest, and then she doesn't see Rio again until almost two months later in Lizelotte's house, and she certainly acted very concious of Rio by moments, but I don't think she fell already, there wasn't enough time for that yet, I think Satsuki's next turn will come in volume 15 without fall, but there would be some weeks before that, we don't know yet what quantity of time will take the events in volume 14, and after Rio takes back Cristina and Flora to Rodania the most likely he would have to stay there a coup of weeks until they put in order the mess that must have begun after their dissappearance.
I root in Satsuki because I like a lot her personality the same as you, but we have to be a little patient too, we can't live expecting the girls we like to fall for Rio faster than the books are published.

Thanks, i see now, so she isn't in love yet with Rio, i like that, it's taking some actual time to make them fall, they don't fall easily enough, i find that a positive trait, is some LN the girls fall pretty damn fast, in this LN they took various vols to finally fall
Just like lisselote, as you said it took 4 vols for her, i hope Cristina fall in vol 14 and satsuki in vol 15 or 16.

[Vethrus]

Why didn't Rio take the hero Rui with them after defeating him? If duke Arbor lost his hero wouldn't it be best for Cristina and restoration people?

[jagt]

They didn't take Rui with then for several reasons:

1st He is a hero, taking him as prisoner may have been quite the heresy, and it was possible that a lot people would try to release Rui from his imprisonment to win him for their side.

2nd Because Rui colaborated and ordered Charles' army to go back to Beltram kingdom calmly and even ordered the soldiers to open a corridor for they to go to the frontier checkpoint of Galarc kingdom without more futile strugle, he knew that Rei or Kota haven't been kidnapped or something, so he wasn't going to take them back by force.

3rd If they have wanted to take Rui the chances of Beltram's army fighting against them until the last man for taking him back was high, the comander of the army was already risking himself to having his head cut by going back without Charles, Alfred and his sword that is a national treasure if he actually loses the hero too there wasn't any point in him not deserting right in that place and beginning to run for precious life.

[Vethrus]

I didn't mean in a prisoner way, does Rui have a reason to stay in bertram? If Cristina asked him to accompany her would that mean the attack of the army would be betraying the royalty?

[Mirable]

IIRC Rui still has some female friend (his lover?) stay in Beltram kingdom, he can't leave her.

[Vethrus]

Friend (lover) that got summoned with him? Or some noble from the kingdom?

Thanks for the replies, they're very appreciated

[jagt]

A lover that was summoned with him, the name is Akane, Kota's childhood friend, one of the reasons for kota to want to leave the castle, he wasn't able anymore of seeing them lovey-dovey and because an inferiority complex toward Rui.

[Roberto1]

I don't like Rui cause he thinks he is stronger than Rio, he though he could kill him when they fight and i was like lol hahahaha

PD: WTF??? How does Rui has a lover and Rio has nothing?

[jagt]

It isn't like that, Rui is the only other known hero besides Satsuki with a decent personality, after meeting Rio in the party he said him he wanted to be his friend, he told him too before their fight that he won't kill him, and weel if I'm told that I'm one of the strongest in the Stralh region, while forming team with the human of this this world that is said to be the strongest and an army of 5.000 waiting a little behind me I think I would assume too that the victory is a matter of time.

[Anemya]

humm when we discuss about the future of this novel It seems like some of you knew what would happen in the future volume so I wonder if made into ln how much part can the wn cover?

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by Anemya

humm when we discuss about the future of this novel It seems like some of you knew what would happen in the future volume so I wonder if made into ln how much part can the wn cover?

I think the LN has 12 Volumes out with 5 Volumes translated in English. In the Light Novel Rio has just helped Christina escape from Beltram.

With the current pacing the Light Novel can probably surpass the WN plot in Volume 15 or 16

[jagt]

Originally Posted by Anemya

humm when we discuss about the future of this novel It seems like some of you knew what would happen in the future volume so I wonder if made into ln how much part can the wn cover?

Right now the novel has 13 volume out in Japanese, the volume 14 will be released on August 1st.

In English there are 5 volumes out with the volume 6 being published on August 12th.

If we make an equivalence with the wn it would be more or Less like this:

Arc 1 = volume 1
Arc 2 = volume 2
Arc 3 = volume 3
Arc 4 = volume 4,5,6,7,8
Arc 5 = volume 9,10
Arc 6 = volume 11,12
Volume 13 = first half of arc 7

From here on it is especulation:

In volume 13 reis began to consider Rio the biggest obstacle for his future plan and decided to eliminate Rio first thing, for that he went to the Rubia Kingdom to prepare a trap for Rio and a combat force capable of taking him down, in order to bring Rio to the trap and to use her as human shield he went to kidnap Celia that has Aisia escorting her.

Because of all the previous things I think the volume 14 will cover the second half of arc 7, when Rio kills Lucius in the wn and the arc 8, when Rio is traveling alone with Flora until Rodania through the Rubia Kingdom, but in LN the travel would be with Cristina and Flora.

Because the things that happen in the drama cd suposedly happen in Rodania then Rio needs to be already back in Rodania in volume 15, that is why I think volume 15 = arc 9, when Rio arrives to Rodania bringing back Flora and then a little later they will go to Galarc for explaining the king there the things that happened during the travel.

Then at the end of this arc Rio finally goes back to seirei village to after that going to say to his family he fulfilled the revenge, but when he arrives he meets the Yagumo group that followed him secretly, arc 9 ends, arc 10 begins and Rio explains to Gouki's group he fulfilled the revenge and offers to take them back to Yagumo, at the same time Liliana finally gave Miharu Rio's letter and offers to help her leave Centostella and since then the wn hasn't been updated yet, because of that I think arc 10 = volume 16

[Anemya]

Originally Posted by jagt

Right now the novel has 13 volume out in Japanese, the volume 14 will be released on August 1st.
In English there are 5 volumes out with the volume 6 being published on August 12th.
If we make an equivalence with the wn it would be more or Less like this:
Arc 1 = volume 1
Arc 2 = volume 2
Arc 3 = volume 3
Arc 4 = volume 4,5,6,7,8
Arc 5 = volume 9,10
Arc 6 = volume 11,12
Volume 13 = first half of arc 7
From here on it is especulation:
In volume 13 reis began to consider Rio the biggest obstacle for his future plan and decided to eliminate Rio first thing, for that he went to the rubia Kingdom to prepare a trap for Rio and a combat force capable of taking him down and in order to bring Rio to the trap and to use her as human shield he went to kidnap Celia that has Aisia escorting her. Because of all the previous things I think the volume 14 will cover the second half of arc 7, when Rio kills Lucius in the wn and the arc 8, when Rio is traveling alone with Flora until Rodania through the Rubia Kingdom, but in Ln the travel would be with Cristina and Flora.
Because the things that happen in the drama cd suposedly happen in Rodania then Rio needs to be already back in Rodania in volume 15, that is why I think volume 15 = arc 9, when Rio arrives to Rodania bringing back Flora and then a little later they will go to Galarc for explaining the king there the things that happened during the travel, then at the end of this arc Rio finally goes back to seirei village to after that going to say to his family he fulfilled the revenge, but when he arrives he meets the Yagumo group that followed him secretly, arc 9 ends, arc 10 begins and Rio explains to Gouki's group he fulfilled the revenge and offers to take them back to Yagumo, at the same time Liliana finally gave Miharu Rio's letter and offers to help her leave Centostella and since then the wn hasn't been updated yet, because of that I think arc 10 = volume 16

about the letter I thought they didn't do that in the ln cause I thought its the part where rio tells miharu about everything but gesuhisa kidnap miharu and the letter didn't reach her right? ans I thought on the ln miharu already know everything or is it my mistake on understanding it?

[jagt]

You're right the letter matter doesn't happen in LN.

In the WN at the beginning of arc 5 Aisia shows Miharu a dream with some highlights of Haruto's life since they parted with each other in their childhood until his death but then Aisia doesn't confirm her if it's a dream or the truth, in the LN Aisia shows her that dream at the end of volume 8 and at the beginning of volume 9 Aisia confirms her that the dream was real and so she knew the truth, then at the end of volume 9 a little less than a month later in the morning of the third day of the evening party when Rio is asked what family name does he want to use as noble he decides to use the Amakawa surname to let himself with no other option than telling her the truth already and finally at the beginning of volume 10 Miharu hears the truth from Rio's mouth.

In WN Miharu didn't assist the evening party since the beginning, she just assist the third day, in the middle of the party Rio asks Miharu to talk alone in the balcony just the two for some minutes.

Then he confesses to Miharu to after that saying to her that he's the reincarnation of Amakawa Haruto and his feelings for her as Haruto, but he now is Rio and if he is confessing to her now is because he loves her as Rio not Haruto.

So to say a little summary of the letter but face to face, and then giving her the letter with long and detailed explanation of what he wanted to say to her and to say her to give Aki and Masato their letters too after she ends hers, but just after he confesses to Miharu Aki and Takahisa led there by Charlotte interrupt them and Rio can't say all he wanted neither give the letters to her.

After the party he tries again to make a chance to talk to Miharu, but Charlotte gets in the way again saying that she wants to talk to him longer, and then Rio has to have a little afterparty with Charlotte and Satsuki, an hour later Charlotte finally lets them go.

Rio tries again to go giving the letters to Miharu accompanied by Satsuki but Takahisa lies about Miharu being already asleep and again he doesn't give the letters, next morning third try, Rio goes again to look for Miharu but he can't talk to her because she is somewhere else with Masato and he can't wait there either until they come back because Charlotte made him promise yesterday he would have breakfast with her and Satsuki, so he asks Takahisa to give Miharu the letters instead of him.

Then as everyone already knows Takahisa reads the letters and steals them, to after that threatening Liliana with stopping being a hero if she doesn't help him to take Miharu and Masato by force, deceives Aki to help him, then they take Miharu and Masato to their magic ship to what was suposed to be just a turistic visit to show them how it works, how it was initially planned, but instead they brought in all their belongings too and went to Centostella like that.

Even if I say that if we make an equivlence with LN it can be more or less as I said in my previous post there are just too many differences in what really happens inside the LN and the WN, the volumes 1,2,3 only can be said to cover the same quantity of time that their equivalents in the WN.

The beginning and the end of the volume 1 are complely different and with a lot of new things comparared to the arc 1.

The beginning of the volume 2 is very similar to the beginning of the arc 2 but there're still some differences here and there and Rio's life inside the seirei village is completely different in the LN than in the WN.

The volume 3 is the most similar to the WN but because the author wanted to give more protagonist to other characters in Ln it's full of changes here and there.

The volume 4 is similar to the WN with just minor changes until the morning Miharu and Rio planned to go to Amande together to get the three otherworlders clothes, from there on the LN and the WN became parallel universes, the only other similitude to the WN since that moment is that this arc ends when Rio gets permission to assist the evening party with Lizelotte, also there were things that didn't happend in the LN like the Rio vs Reis that changed to Rio vs Lucius or Reis sending a flock of demons to attack the rock house.

The volumes 9 and 10 are similar to the arc 5 that they start with Rio preparing to assist the evening party and end after Takahisa Kidnaps Miharu, but in the LN as everyone knows already he fails.

The volumes 11 and 12 certainly cover since Rio leaves Galarc's capital after the party until he takes Cristina to the frontier of Beltram and Galarc from Celia's house like in the WN, and that's all, the time all the events take, the way of travelling, the group composition, the things they do, fell, talk about and think in the middle of the travel, their battles before leaving Bertram are completely different.

And finally volume 13, its only similitudes with the first half of arc 7 of the WN are that after the battle in the national border they go to Lizelote's house and the next day to Rodania and that there's a fight between Rio and Nidor Proxia and Rio goes to Paladia Kingdom after that.