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Old 2018-04-22, 09:51   Link #3821
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Azazel like to exaggerated thing up.
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Old 2018-04-22, 16:04   Link #3822
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Still calling Sirzechs a human shape POD is wrong. Sirzechs is a Devil that can convert his body into a POD. Sirzechs himself isn't a living POD.
The problem is that when he has his body made of PoD, it is called his true form, so that is his original form and for that reoson, Sirzechs and Azazel said that he compresses that power to his human form which is what we know as Sirzechs Lucifer.

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Azazel did call Sirzechs' true form Power of Destruction given a humanoid shape, though, didn't he? And Sirzechs said that it's certain that it's a mutation. I'm not saying the same thing as that guy, though.

@Kiiro: When his body was forcefully dragonified from him drinking dragon's blood, the text mentioned that heat had accumulated in the head part of his armor enough that he had to take the helmet off. But he was able to remain in DxD G mode without taking the helmet off? How can you think that the dragonification hadn't worn off?
That makes sense, it could be true. Then we will need to wait for it to be animated to call how it was.
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Old 2018-04-22, 17:53   Link #3823
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The problem is that when he has his body made of PoD, it is called his true form, so that is his original form and for that reoson, Sirzechs and Azazel said that he compresses that power to his human form which is what we know as Sirzechs Lucifer.
It's his true form not his true species/race, to call Sirzechs a human shaped POD isn't right. The POD is just a power, no different than a gun, is Sirzechs a gun or Sirzechs the person using the gun. Is Sirzechs a POD or is Sirzechs a mutation of a Devil who has converted his body into a POD?
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Old 2018-04-22, 18:11   Link #3824
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One way to look at it is that his mutation turned him into Power of Destruction given a human shape, and that he suppresses that power to look human so that he doesn't erase things just by touching. I also get that idea, actually.
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Old 2018-04-22, 20:26   Link #3825
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It's his true form not his true species/race, to call Sirzechs a human shaped POD isn't right. The POD is just a power, no different than a gun, is Sirzechs a gun or Sirzechs the person using the gun. Is Sirzechs a POD or is Sirzechs a mutation of a Devil who has converted his body into a POD?
Yes, I know he is a Devil, but seeing his true form, his true Nature, even Hades question himself if he is truly a devil:

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Hades said he is power far of Maou Class and far from the Real Lucifer, yet questions if he is truly a Devil?

Sirzechs also says he doesnt know, it was a sudden mutation in him. Having power the surpasses the classification of a devil is called a Super Devil, but Hades apart of saying he has that power, can Sirzechs truly be called a Devil? Sirzechs could have similar power to Logia Users of One Piece.

Read these links:

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/True_Form
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Physiology
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/D...ion_Embodiment
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Manifestation

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One way to look at it is that his mutation turned him into Power of Destruction given a human shape, and that he suppresses that power to look human so that he doesn't erase things just by touching. I also get that idea, actually.
Yes. Having great power doesnt mean you are a mutation, Sirzechs is a mutation. Not Ajuka or Rizevim.

They just were born with great powers. That is all.
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Old 2018-04-22, 21:18   Link #3826
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I do wonder how much of Ajuka, power comes from math. Math is skills aquired from hard work while Sirzechs, power is genetic.
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Old 2018-04-22, 22:11   Link #3827
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Hades wonder Sirzech is a Devil or not because Hades used to think Devil is a lowly species compare to God, their power can't compare to a God. But what, Sirzech not only reach the power rival the God but also bring him to top 10 strongest being. That how Hades think. And stop bring those powerlisting page into here.
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Old 2018-04-22, 22:54   Link #3828
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Equations just don't apply to math.
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Old 2018-04-22, 22:59   Link #3829
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Equations just don't apply to math.
His a scientist.
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Old 2018-04-22, 23:50   Link #3830
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When was it ever stated he's a scientist?
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Old 2018-04-23, 00:48   Link #3831
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When was it ever stated he's a scientist?
He created the evil pieces dude. He cleary has a high understanding of biology, magic and engineering.
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Old 2018-04-23, 02:12   Link #3832
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Again where did it say that he was a scientist? Is God a scientist just because he made the angels and the Sacred Gears?
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:15   Link #3833
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He's a mathematician. And his obsession of human magic made his Demonic Power become similar to said type of magic so that he can use it the same way that humans use magic. He even makes calculations the same way magicians do. Though Norse magic also uses calculations.
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:22   Link #3834
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Here is an interesting match up:

Kiba vs Irina

Who do you think has more of a chance. It is Kiba with Gram than Irina loses but if not I could see her winning.
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:39   Link #3835
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I think Kiba is more skilled and have more "tools", Irina only have her light-base power advantage.
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:41   Link #3836
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Irina needs a power-up. Her whip-like Power of Light attack that she modeled after Excalibur Mimic isn't enough. And I'm not even sure how powerful of a Holy Sword Hauteclere actually is.
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:42   Link #3837
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Well Kiba's Holy Demonic sword can absorb Holy aura but how much we don't know. I don't think it will be enough to defeat her Holy Sword but it can catch her off guard. Gram is a powerful weapon but it's limited by it curse. Kiba has his Knights which can serve as a shield. And if it's on the ground Kiba is fasterdue to his Knight traits.

But I think Irina is the better flyer, has a more potent ranged attack with her light which is a weakness that Kiba has & can even use it to entrap her foes.
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:48   Link #3838
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How much will it catch her off-guard if she already knows about and could thus be expecting it? And how powerful of a Holy Sword is Hauteclere? Does anyone know?

But where are you getting the notion that Irina is the better flyer?
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Old 2018-04-23, 07:52   Link #3839
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We haven't seen much of their flying battles so I assumed because of their angel wings. Hauteclere hasn't has as much of a showing. While Irina could be expecting Kiba's new ability, it would be an annoying thing to deal with since it could break her swords pace.

What kind of upgrade do you want to see for Irina?
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Old 2018-04-23, 08:02   Link #3840
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Is it that new of a power for Kiba? Irina has already seen it. She knows about it. But yeah, it's true that it could throw off her pace if used in certain ways.

So you're just assuming Irina should be the better flyer due to her having more wings? Level and extent of practice and control also matter, don't they? What if they skill in flying is similar or even at the same level?

Irina is a Technique-type fighter, so as an upgrade, some more versatile powers or abilities would be good. More applications for her Light Whip, some more power to put behind her techniques, and also maybe more proof and showings of Hauteclere being a powerful Holy Sword that can contend with Excalibur and Durandal.
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