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Old 2018-01-20, 23:38   Link #101
vietthai96
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Well, even Mai (a defensive Toji) said that all that's great about Hiyori is speed. This episode demonstrates this. An all-rounder like Sayaka can use minimal amounts of Jin'i to counteract Hiyori's massive bursts of Jin'i, and Mai was certain that all the speed is worthless if you cannot find an opening. Yukari also exposes Hiyori's weakness, mocking her "ichi no tachi" (literally "the one strike") by blocking it.

So far, Hiyori's fighting style relies on huge amounts of speed to quickly finish off opponents, and is heavily disadvantaged against high-strength, high-defense, or high-expertise opponents, and she has to play smarter or else she won't beat anyone with her current style of combat.
Hiyori is like Dyspo in DBS, she very very fast but it is just a straight line burst speed, the manuever is too linear, she relying on speed to confuse her opponent and attack in critical moment, so if she her movement being readed and predicted or her initial strike fail she is guarantee to fail. So far she doesn't show much of her sword technique rather than her speed, we still have much to see
On the other hand Kanami is excelled at counter-attack, she like Ikki Kurogane who prefer to reading her opponents and analyzing them, after that she will make decision
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Old 2018-01-20, 23:40   Link #102
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It not that Kanami is OP or anything. She's just very good at using 'technique' to overcome her opponent.

In fact, Hiyori's fighting style should have advantage over Kanami's style that focuses on reading her opponents and find a way to counter them.
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Old 2018-01-20, 23:49   Link #103
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It not that Kanami is OP or anything. She's just very good at using 'technique' to overcome her opponent.
Nah, Kanami is OP. In normal state she could see the aradama but Hiyori in accelerated state couldn't see it. That has nothing to do with being good at reading techniques. That's rough potential. On top of that she can use a lot of different techniques herself.

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In fact, Hiyori's fighting style should have advantage over Kanami's style that focuses on reading her opponents and find a way to counter them.
Kanami would kick her ass in seconds.
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Old 2018-01-21, 00:07   Link #104
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Please note, before you denegreate Hiyori too much, that she defeated Ellen in the contest through a blade clash: forcibly creating an opening to Ellen's body and striking before Ellen could recover. Hiyori isn't a one-trick pony: I think you folks are reading too much into Mai's statement last episode, especially since Mai was facing Hiyori when Hiyroi hadn't fully recovered from the assassination attempt. Also please note that she would have beaten Sayaka this time, even if Kanami hadn't interfered. Yes, she defaulted to using lethal force rather than disarming Sayaka, but that's due to her mindset, not her ability.

Also, Kanami was able to observe a significant portion of this fight before she stepped into it herself, giving her an edge in preparation. Hiyori had to start from nothing, trying to figure out what was going on while also trying to counter Sayaka's style. It isn't a fair comparison.
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Old 2018-01-21, 00:29   Link #105
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she would have beaten Sayaka this time, even if Kanami hadn't interfered.
She couldn't even follow Sayaka's moves at first and had to go overdrive to keep up. She would have won, yes, but she would have to use all her speed to do it and would have also killed her. Kanami beat her easily, without having to exert herself or hurt Sayaka. There's no comparison. The gap in skill is huge.

And we can't underestimate the fact Hiyori in accelerated state couldn't see the aradama but normal Kanami did see it. There's some huge potential inside Kanami.
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Old 2018-01-21, 00:51   Link #106
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Also, Kanami was able to observe a significant portion of this fight before she stepped into it herself, giving her an edge in preparation. Hiyori had to start from nothing, trying to figure out what was going on while also trying to counter Sayaka's style. It isn't a fair comparison.
Kanami seems to have been spending most of the time using the stairs, so she wasn't observing most of it. Really, that entire delay was merely for plot, since we have established these girls can just jump off buildings safely.

And it is impossible to avoid the conclusion, given how easily Kanami did the disarming, that she was by far the superior fighter. Hiyori isn't weak and could have beaten Sayaka, but Kanami is OP.

But then, considering the opposition, making the protagonist OP might have been the least bad way to go, reducing the distance she has to climb before being on a level she can beat the villains in the show. Otherwise, we all know such stories will resort to just post-insert more capability using flimsy excuses.
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Old 2018-01-21, 01:09   Link #107
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Sayaka is using a "lower-level" Jin'i that allows a maintained increase in mobility without tiring her out. If it was a battle of attrition, Hiyori would have been defeated because she would use higher-level Jin'i that's more taxing to the body than Sayaka's.

And yea, this doesn't change the fact that Kanami, who defeats enemies by barehanded blade steals, is OP.
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Old 2018-01-21, 01:59   Link #108
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Shirase's character is saved by having good chemistry with characters other than Mari. Her little moment with Hinata on the train was the highlight of the episode for me, for example.

Unfortunately Hiyori seems stuck playing sidekick to Kanami for the majority of the show.
Just to be clear, I didn't say that in detriment to Shirase or Hiyori. I'm enjoying the surprise so far.

I say its too soon for that, lets see what happens next. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.
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Old 2018-01-21, 15:43   Link #109
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As I thought aside from Hiyori there was others who were aware or at least against Yukari. That makes things more interesting. This episode was pretty dry compared to the last two (aside from learning about the rebel faction), but it wasn’t bad, so I will keep watching.
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Old 2018-01-21, 18:02   Link #110
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3 episodes in and I can say at this has been a better than was expecting. The 2nd episode in particular is probably the strongest one for me so far, as the whole fugitive aspect where Kanami and Hiyori have been moving from place to place while trying figure out they next move is what is really drawing me here.

Right now, I'm suspecting that Minoseki president might also know what going on with Yukari as that's only real reason I can think of for her to aid Kanami & Hiyori instead of turning them in.

I do wish the action scene where better though especially for series called Katana Maidens.
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Old 2018-01-21, 23:36   Link #111
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I do wish the action scene where better though especially for series called Katana Maidens.
Uuh, no offend but what do you mean better fight scene, i think it is at best they can do. Or you want fight scene like Fate where fighter jump from building to building and a single fight blast the whole urban block
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Old 2018-01-21, 23:46   Link #112
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Uuh, no offend but what do you mean better fight scene, i think it is at best they can do. Or you want fight scene like Fate where fighter jump from building to building and a single fight blast the whole urban block
I'm talking about more in terms of choreography and framing. Check out Onihei for a good example of traditional sword-fighting done dynamically. Besides we are dealing magic swords, superhuman physical abilities, demons and whatnot. So jumping from building from building is hardly out of the realm of reason.
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Old 2018-01-22, 05:57   Link #113
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I actually Toji no Miko's way of doing fights. It's way better to follow, especially if you want to know which stance or kata they perform.
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Old 2018-01-22, 06:40   Link #114
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Watched episode 3:

This anime seems to be doing something right... I watched the episode for the third time in two days and still not getting bored. Anyway, Kanami seems a bit overpowered.. she can slap people's swords right out of their hands? I hope this isn't possible to do with all her opponents, because it's like a cheat skill.

Hmm, if my friend Mich watches this anime and she likes it. We might do a cosplay of someone.. for props, could use the sword that she used for Aria Kanzaki a few years ago. Just have to find a crafter to customize a waist accessory to hold the sword.

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3 episodes in and I can say at this has been a better than was expecting. The 2nd episode in particular is probably the strongest one for me so far, as the whole fugitive aspect where Kanami and Hiyori have been moving from place to place while trying figure out they next move is what is really drawing me here.
Referring to the part that I put in bold. Yep, liking the fugitive aspect too. Since the building where they're staying is now found out.. finding place to stay is a problem again... they would probably meet more people who would help them.
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Old 2018-01-22, 07:05   Link #115
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Watched episode 3:

This anime seems to be doing something right... I watched the episode for the third time in two days and still not getting bored. Anyway, Kanami seems a bit overpowered.. she can slap people's swords right out of their hands? I hope this isn't possible to do with all her opponents, because it's like a cheat skill.
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Look like it's a part of her Yagyu Shinkage-Ryu style. Anyone who hope to beat Kanami must aim to 1 hit K.O. her or quickly finish her off in a few move.

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Yagyu Shinkage-Ryu (柳生新陰流?) - A swordmanship style learned by future shoguns during the Edo period. The style focuses on "reading the opponent's movements and thoughts and attain victory", and excels in clashing power. A technique that "controls the enemy without using a sword" called "Bladeless Takedown" (無刀取り, Mutou-tori) is also learned by practitioners.
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Characters info and their swordmanship style are translated. You can read them here.
http://toji-no-miko.wikia.com/wiki/Characters
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Old 2018-01-22, 07:22   Link #116
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@Marina

Thanks for the explanation on that. Wow, so that disarming skill is actually a real technique.
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Old 2018-01-22, 08:17   Link #117
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Yeah, i like the way fight, she anything possible to attack like bare-hand, i hope she using kicks in the future

I don't know why i still dream for a male protagonist in this anime
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Old 2018-01-22, 20:38   Link #118
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Referring to the part that I put in bold. Yep, liking the fugitive aspect too. Since the building where they're staying is now found out.. finding place to stay is a problem again... they would probably meet more people who would help them.
It's also a nice break from what I thought was gonna be another girls school battle series.
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Old 2018-01-25, 07:54   Link #119
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Late reply because my dsl provider had service interruption. Yeah, I was surprised by this one too. Anyway, just one more comment on episode 3... I had to smile a bit when Hiyori take her sword everywhere she go. I guess she's afraid to get chopped while in the bath. --- Anyway, always having her sword proved to be the right decision... when that girl from renpu attacked... things would have gotten bad if Hiyori did not have her sword with her.
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Old 2018-01-25, 10:48   Link #120
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I still wonder that Sayaka girl using balcony in each jump or she jump straight to the room where MC little group is
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