Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll

[DX HBK]

Instead of having them hunt humans for their PoE, couldn't the Guze no Ou "farm-raise" humans on certain lands and the Tomogara could eat those instead?

[Sterling01]

Like Soylent Green

[cnnydz]

lol, i think SnF tried that, when margery found the haridan she said that SnH built a city for humans and created the haridan to monitor the humans.

[Master Chibi]

1. The thought of Yoshida blinking out of existence makes me absurdly happy. Hurry up and do it already woman.

2. The sudden little twist with Tanaka is nice, I like it.

3. Meh to everything else.

4. New OP and ED are superior to the previous ones.

[Phantasmagoria]

I feel that Yoshida should pay more attention to her surrounding.. there's a better guy waiting out there *cough* Megane-kun *cough*.

She's a nice character ..

The "oh-come-on-do-your-job-and-follow-me" jab is getting repetitive ...

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by DX HBK

Instead of having them hunt humans for their PoE, couldn't the Guze no Ou "farm-raise" humans on certain lands and the Tomogara could eat those instead?

From a human POV, that's morally wrong.

From a Tomogara's POV... well, that's a restaurant for them.

Better yet, the death row inmates are about to be killed so why not take their PoE instead?

Honestly, to think that there would be Tomogara that would breed humans in the same manner as livestock, they are gonna need a lot of farms to surpass the demand.

[Bonta Kun]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

1. The thought of Yoshida blinking out of existence makes me absurdly happy. Hurry up and do it already woman.

jumps on that bandwagon!

damn lass is just annoying now, it was bad enough hearing
"I won't lose"
"I won't lose either"
for the 1000th time, now she just chirps on and on about standing where Yuji is standing.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

I just saw this episode, and I liked it a lot. Other than the stuff with Yoshida (for once I fell she's being a bit of a fool---there is no need to risk her life for anything at this point), I liked the pacing of this episode. I also liked the new opening, which shows Yuji actually making himself useful for once. I am somewhat surprised that Yuji can lift Blutsauger in the first place, but I guess that's because he's not exactly human. In any case, I look forward to Yuji being able to fight for himself. 10/10

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

...I am somewhat surprised that Yuji can lift Blutsauger...

Actually, he was already able to lift it back in the last episode of season 1.

[Kisuke06]

I think the best expression to describe this episode is 'calm before the storm'. And finally Yuji is going to fight, I have been waiting for this since season 1.

Also, I didn't really like neither the new OP nor the new ED.

[Tiberium Wolf]

I like the new OP animation. It was great. The song is just average. It's not catchy enough. The same about the ED.

[jin07]

I know it's already been talked about, but I just have to say it anyway. As if I needed more of a reason to like Pheles:

Yoshida: Why are you giving me this?
Pheles: Because you are a human who can use this Hougu. If you disappear, it won't hurt anyone.

[Irenicus]

Thank the gods for Pheles, she just gave Yoshida what she needs the most: a way to die and disappear for good!

I'm more sympathetic to Kazumi this time around since she actually has a cause to angst, but I really don't need yet another "I want to be where Sakai-kun is." Yes, woman. We get the point. Now use that awesome hougu and disappear or something.

Otherwise, I love the new Yuji. He gives the impression that he's thinking a lot right now, but also calm and composed; not to mention that huge-ass sword is perfect for him.

The OP is hilarious though; lol, people standing on the school roof looking at the sun, and Yuji just holds his sword like he's about to fight.

And finally, Hecate is interesting. I like her reaction at the end. Bel-Pel is just the usual evil witch villain who's really really evil, the Professor a generic Team Rocket villain, but Hecate's more sympathetic than the rest of the bunch.

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

However, they tend to overdramatacize a lot of trivial events. For instance, the departure of Yuji's dad. "You'll be fine won't you?" Followed by overly dramatic shock from Yuji.

I don't think Yuji's being shocked by his dad's remark as much as he's deep in thought about the irony of the statement in his situation.

The dad isn't aware after all that their real son is dead, and that this son is in big trouble involving a bunch of lunatic existence-eaters, some crazy armor with a lot of eyes, an obsessive immortal lover, and a rare magical artifact thingie from that immortal with an endless pool of existence, so the stereotypically fatherly "You'll be fine won't you?" has a bit of an extra impact.

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by Irenicus

I don't think Yuji's being shocked by his dad's remark as much as he's deep in thought about the irony of the statement in his situation.

The dad isn't aware after all that their real son is dead, and that this son is in big trouble involving a bunch of lunatic existence-eaters, some crazy armor with a lot of eyes, an obsessive immortal lover, and a rare magical artifact thingie from that immortal with an endless pool of existence, so the stereotypically fatherly "You'll be fine won't you?" has a bit of an extra impact.

I know. That was just an examle of the kind of moments I was talking about in these episodes. Sure, maybe 1 or 2 big shocks an episode displayed or repititions work. But, Shana overdoes it, having like 15 or so an episode. I hate it. It reminds me of those

Spoiler for EF:

sky scenes that happen ever 16 seconds in the first two episodes of EF.

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

1. The thought of Yoshida blinking out of existence makes me absurdly happy. Hurry up and do it already woman.

Me <3 Yoshida. Maybe she'll become a mystes so she can be with Yuji forever! Out of the way, Shana.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

Me <3 Yoshida. Maybe she'll become a mystes so she can be with Yuji forever! Out of the way, Shana.

If she becomes a mystes, she'll just disappear because she doesn't have the mighty Midnight Lost Child in her.
Though unlike a lot of people here, I hope she can remain alive (human) to the end and be happy.

[Guido]

New OP and ED

Spoiler:

KOTOKO always is one of my favorite groups. Their techno songs and upbeat ballads send me those jitters surging through body.

I felt that the start for the opening song was slow and dull, but it picked up rather nicely at the midway of the opening sequence.

My favorite parts of the new opening video are the flock of red birds flying as the title is introduced, and when Shana and Yuujis' hands are about to reach other the crystal seen through it shatters; not forgetting Yuuji's awesome fight sequences with him wielding the Blutsaüger.

It's not surprising that this episode was comparatively weak in contrast to the end of the Pheles arc. We have to admit it four major events happened in the previous episode and went in the blink of an eye.

Still, I would have wished if the animators went focusing with Kazumi's depression over Yuuji in this episode exclusively, and not having to repeat it in the previous arcs.

Spoiler:

We now know how wide is the gap between her and Yuuji now that she's inside the mess created by the Bal Masque.

And it doesn't help much that the hougu that Pheles gave her would make her to disappear whenever the need should arise one day to use it.

I believe that witnessing Yuuji engaging in his new training with the Blutsaüger they want to tell, that it is possible for Kazumi to get stronger by her own means.

And, on the other hand, with all the insanity that witnessed Margery doing, looks like Tanaka wants to quit from that world and return to the ordinary world to stay by Ogata's side.
This would in turn create a sense of frustration and a void for Satou, who is starting to adapt into Margery's world but doesn't want to venture it all alone and by himself.

[Ashlotte]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

1. The thought of Yoshida blinking out of existence makes me absurdly happy. Hurry up and do it already woman.

Thats about the size of it...Take the hint yoshida and walk away from all this super powered craziness and go have Ike's babies or something...

Meh other then the lulls that always accompany yoshida's inner monologues it was an ok episode after all the insanity of episode 15. The OP helped though by getting my hopes that thing will finally get good soon...Crossing my fingers that im not getting my hopes too high.

[Freeter]

Spoiler for 16:

LMAO @ Pheles' proposition to Yoshida.

"Nobody cares about you, so when you realize how worthless you are and that you'll never beat that loli even with your massive tits, use this cross to summon me and I'll win Sakai over.

The only catch is that you'll die, but you're a weakling anyway and nobody notices you so it's no biggie. Kthxbye"

That has to be the most ass-backwards proposition I have ever heard

Aww, they're trying to make us care about Fumina's absen*YAWN*...next.

Poor Ike...he's become the laughing stock of the series. I wonder if they'll still include his confession scene to Yoshida in the snow that was in the first OP, though I can't take him seriously anymore so that'll certainly put a damper on things.

Just like with the first Shana, I prefer the old OP/ED to the new one. Yuji looks kind of ridiculous standing there with everyone holding out Blutsauger like that

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

If she becomes a mystes, she'll just disappear because she doesn't have the mighty Midnight Lost Child in her.
Though unlike a lot of people here, I hope she can remain alive (human) to the end and be happy.

It's not like I'm out for her destruction or anything. Whatever will end those personally annoying statements regarding being too far from Yuji, wanting to be where he and Shana are, works for me.

Oddly enough she is connected to a few annoying things like the continuously brought up "I'm not going to lose" thing. They've hit both points home, thank you series. She'll either need to move on or go out according to Pheles in a blaze of obscurity.

Poor Yuji. Tries to look cool in the OP with blutsauger and instead gets called ridiculous .

[UPR]

The way I see it Tanaka is being a complete wimp and baby. Im not looking forward to the next ep. After this he should never appear again. He just disrupts the plot development.