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koreanbboy · 2004-06-30, 16:27

just wacthed ep. 36... and summed up 3 questions..

1) Why did Scar make the Philosophers stone
2) Why did the military punish Ishbalians because Scar made the Stone
3) Did Winry's parents get killed by Mustang?
4) Who the heck is Riza? I keep hearing about him/her in the forums... never heard of her....

thanks

Palani · 2004-06-30, 16:44

1) No he didn't
2) He didn't
3) Yes
4) Riza Hawkeye, The blond-haired female sub-ordinate of Mustang

koreanbboy · 2004-06-30, 18:04

but they keep talking as if Scar had made the Stone.. or was that his brother...

Fighter Volk · 2004-06-30, 18:09

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Originally Posted by koreanbboy

but they keep talking as if Scar had made the Stone.. or was that his brother...

His brother tried to make the Stone.

Riza Hawkeye · 2004-06-30, 18:42

are u sure we watched the same episode? because Hawkeye cleary asks Winry to call her Riza

Zauren · 2004-06-30, 20:00

1/2 (Some theorizing): Scar's brother was apparently coerced into making the stone in order to save Lust/save Ishbal from the war (Which seems to have been started by the Sins in some elaborate scheme). He said it would take many lives. He was also apparently killed by Kimbly while crossing the desert with Scar and his sensei (Scar was observing a locket at what appeared to be a grave in the same region as that particular flashback, which was strongly hinting at the link Scar's brother had with 2nd Lust's 'little mistake'.) Scar was asked once by Ed if Ishbal managed to make it, but he did not say yes or no.

Of note, Scar's arm apparently has his brother and a few others within it, in some manner of unlife (I'm of the belief those killed by it have their soul absorbed), and it is linked to the Proto-stone and the Circle to make the stone in the 5th laboratory. I'm also of the belief the real stone (At least in Ishbal's method) is created in/manifests as a person. (Scar's brother covered in tattoos I think needed to physically kill many people as the final stage, and gave Scar his arm to take that toll from State Alchemists after being thusly killed by Kimbly.) The people of old-Ishbal apparently had powerful alchemy, but something happened and 'Ishbal' forbade it from then on; Scar's brother was taught by a heretic like that. (Hrrm, speaking of that heretic, it seems the Sins show people the proper alchemy themselves...)

3: Roy Mustang killed them under Basque Gran's order since they healed Ishbal wounded, who would then re-enter the fight again. Assumably they refused to not heal any injured simply due to where they came from.

4: Riza Hawkeye is the petite blond girl with the gun, most notable for shooting at Black Hayate in Episode 13. She's a 2nd Lieutenant I believe. She's been in many notable and emotional moments, such as with Roy at Hughe's grave, or when she vowed to stay with him to the end in his pursuit of Fuhror to change the world.

kamij0 · 2004-07-01, 00:12

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Originally Posted by koreanbboy

but they keep talking as if Scar had made the Stone.. or was that his brother...

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Zauren

3: Roy Mustang killed them under Basque Gran's order since they healed Ishbal wounded, who would then re-enter the fight again. Assumably they refused to not heal any injured simply due to where they came from.

Did the rockbells just attend to the ishbal people? It seems they are helping whoever is on the battlefield.

Zauren · 2004-07-01, 03:45

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And that's what I meant. =D

Palani · 2004-07-01, 04:30

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Originally Posted by kamij0

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Did the rockbells just attend to the ishbal people? It seems they are helping whoever is on the battlefield.

They were indeed helping anyone who was injured, but that included many Ishvarians and thus they were opposing the military by helping their adverseries. They therefore had to be "erased"

Akichan · 2004-07-01, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Zauren

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And that's what I meant. =D

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Edit (cause I pushed the button too fast): I do believe that Riza Hawkeye is the First Lieutenant, and Roy Mustang's right hand. Quoted right from Episode 27.

Guido · 2004-07-01, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Zauren

Riza Hawkeye is the petite blond girl with the gun, most notable for shooting at Black Hayate in Episode 13. She's a 2nd Lieutenant I believe.

In fact, Riza Hawkeye is First Lieutenant.

Zauren · 2004-07-01, 16:53

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And I remember that, but I think she got promoted. Or would she be 2nd /before/ promotion? Shows what I know about military ranks. =)

Rattus · 2004-07-03, 08:28

Hmm, I'm trying to remember if any of the sins have indicated that they orchestrated the Ishibal war...

Lust was definately created by Scars brother tho, that is one thing we can be sure of.

Yuruke · 2004-07-03, 17:20

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Originally Posted by Rattus

Hmm, I'm trying to remember if any of the sins have indicated that they orchestrated the Ishibal war...

Lust was definately created by Scars brother tho, that is one thing we can be sure of.

How so? When did they give us enough info to prove this?

Rattus · 2004-07-06, 11:13

Anime flashbacks when Scar first sees Lust in the library, and thinks back to his brother and the woman who looks like her... Lust's flashbacks when she meets the guy who looked like Scar's brother.. it's pretty well established that she's a recent addition to the team made by Scar.

Thought: at one point, we see Lust through a huge hole in Scar's brother (the parts taken away by performing human transmutation, presumably), so either that must have been non-fatal, or he lived long enough to become part of the transmutation circle on scar's arm.

2004-06-30, 16:27	Link #1
koreanbboy Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	*4 quick questionsmight have spoilers!!** just wacthed ep. 36... and summed up 3 questions.. 1) Why did Scar make the Philosophers stone 2) Why did the military punish Ishbalians because Scar made the Stone 3) Did Winry's parents get killed by Mustang? 4) Who the heck is Riza? I keep hearing about him/her in the forums... never heard of her.... thanks

2004-07-01, 03:45	Link #8
Zauren Master of Pimpage Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Salem, OR	Spoiler: I highly disagree there, if Scar is making the stone he is either unaware, deluding himself, or controlled by his brother. He's said many times he has no idea what his arm really is, and seems to not really want to know. Ed and Al are instead going to Ishbal to find Scar, since he seems to know how to make it (Hopefully without lives), or at least know who can (Given he has PhilStone tattoos on him). And that's what I meant. =D

2004-07-01, 16:53	Link #12
Zauren Master of Pimpage Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Salem, OR	Spoiler: Oops. I haven't seen past 35 yet. I'm in dialup and can't get the latest until the 7th =( Woe! But now I want to see it more. WOE! And I remember that, but I think she got promoted. Or would she be 2nd /before/ promotion? Shows what I know about military ranks. =)

2004-06-30, 16:44	Link #2
Palani ///_^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mushroom County, Mario World Age: 36	1) No he didn't 2) He didn't 3) Yes 4) Riza Hawkeye, The blond-haired female sub-ordinate of Mustang

2004-06-30, 18:04	Link #3
koreanbboy Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	but they keep talking as if Scar had made the Stone.. or was that his brother...

2004-06-30, 18:42	Link #5
Riza Hawkeye RoyxRiza Fangirl! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in my House Age: 35	are u sure we watched the same episode? because Hawkeye cleary asks Winry to call her Riza

2004-06-30, 20:00	Link #6
Zauren Master of Pimpage Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Salem, OR	1/2 (Some theorizing): Scar's brother was apparently coerced into making the stone in order to save Lust/save Ishbal from the war (Which seems to have been started by the Sins in some elaborate scheme). He said it would take many lives. He was also apparently killed by Kimbly while crossing the desert with Scar and his sensei (Scar was observing a locket at what appeared to be a grave in the same region as that particular flashback, which was strongly hinting at the link Scar's brother had with 2nd Lust's 'little mistake'.) Scar was asked once by Ed if Ishbal managed to make it, but he did not say yes or no. Of note, Scar's arm apparently has his brother and a few others within it, in some manner of unlife (I'm of the belief those killed by it have their soul absorbed), and it is linked to the Proto-stone and the Circle to make the stone in the 5th laboratory. I'm also of the belief the real stone (At least in Ishbal's method) is created in/manifests as a person. (Scar's brother covered in tattoos I think needed to physically kill many people as the final stage, and gave Scar his arm to take that toll from State Alchemists after being thusly killed by Kimbly.) The people of old-Ishbal apparently had powerful alchemy, but something happened and 'Ishbal' forbade it from then on; Scar's brother was taught by a heretic like that. (Hrrm, speaking of that heretic, it seems the Sins show people the proper alchemy themselves...) 3: Roy Mustang killed them under Basque Gran's order since they healed Ishbal wounded, who would then re-enter the fight again. Assumably they refused to not heal any injured simply due to where they came from. 4: Riza Hawkeye is the petite blond girl with the gun, most notable for shooting at Black Hayate in Episode 13. She's a 2nd Lieutenant I believe. She's been in many notable and emotional moments, such as with Roy at Hughe's grave, or when she vowed to stay with him to the end in his pursuit of Fuhror to change the world.

2004-07-03, 08:28	Link #13
Rattus Nibbling on the drywall Join Date: Jun 2004	Hmm, I'm trying to remember if any of the sins have indicated that they orchestrated the Ishibal war... Lust was definately created by Scars brother tho, that is one thing we can be sure of.

2004-07-06, 11:13	Link #15
Rattus Nibbling on the drywall Join Date: Jun 2004	Anime flashbacks when Scar first sees Lust in the library, and thinks back to his brother and the woman who looks like her... Lust's flashbacks when she meets the guy who looked like Scar's brother.. it's pretty well established that she's a recent addition to the team made by Scar. Thought: at one point, we see Lust through a huge hole in Scar's brother (the parts taken away by performing human transmutation, presumably), so either that must have been non-fatal, or he lived long enough to become part of the transmutation circle on scar's arm.