Total Eclipse - General Anime Discussion

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by Enternal

Isn't that why I agree that both of them needs to be slapped by tunas? Or actually Cryska should get involve now?

Also Yuuya isn't being a jerk once or twice. He's being a jerk over and over and over again to who? His superior officer. Sure she could have handle it better but... he's not helping. And oh, he's not being a jerk. He's being a rude ass prick. And she's being a bitch.

I don't have a problem with Yuuya being a jerk, but I have a problem with Yui acting like a racist. At what level does a person actually resort to racism just because another person is being a jerk? It's a level beyond stupidity that I cannot fathom in any normal social situation.

Example:

White Guy: Dude, why are you being such a douche?
Black Guy: *sarcasm* Oh am I being a douche? I am so sorry! *sarcasm*
White Guy: God damn, N***ger, you better fix that attitude of yours.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Enternal

Isn't that why I agree that both of them needs to be slapped by tunas? Or actually Cryska should get involve now?
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Yes. Cryska needs to get involved.

Cryska: You're both idiots.
*slugs Yui and then Yuuya*
Inia: Onee-chan, you don't need to be so cruel. You hurt Yuuya.
*runs over to comfort Yuuya. Yuuya blushes.*
Cryska: Sorry, but they deserved it.
Yui: What did you say?!
*Yui slugs Cryska.*
*Cat fight starts. Uniforms rip. More fanservice ensues. Viewers happy.*
Go Russia!

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by Elestia

I don't have a problem with Yuuya being a jerk, but I have a problem with Yui acting like a racist. At what level does a person actually resort to racism just because another person is being a jerk? It's a level beyond stupidity that I cannot fathom in any normal social situation.

Example:

White Guy: Dude, why are you being such a douche?
Black Guy: *sarcasm* Oh am I being a douche? I am so sorry! *sarcasm*
White Guy: God damn, N***ger, you better fix that attitude of yours.

You are correct in a sense. However there is another problem is that Yui sees him as a Japanese as well as an American. He however identifies himself as an American and have tried to "discard" his Japanese side. Hence those racist comments are racist because he's an American and she said such things to him as Japanese. However, to her it's not exactly racist because to her Yuuya is a fellow compatriot. See the problem? It's rather messy in a way since it involves, national pride, identity issues, and other messy crap. This is why MUV LUV have included a character like Yuuya who is half Japanese and half American yet he identifies with his American side and discard his other side. He then meet another person who is fully Japanese who sees him as Japanese, the side that he supposedly discarded. In a way, he think he have thrown away that side of him but in fact in still sticks to him. Kind of shows that you can't simply throw away part of you since it what makes you you.

I think this whole Yui vs Yuuya is a way to show how both comes into terms of their own identity and how they should perceive others of the same race but not the same identity (Yuuya identifies him as an American while Yui identifies herself as Japanese and see Yuuya as a Japanese when he in fact is an American who threw away his Japanese side because to him the Japanese supposedly suck yet to Yui the Japanese are good as well and blah blah blah blah). <- MESSY

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Yeah what a hostile guy tries to do his duty, gives up advantages to others to avoid fights, puts up with Yui's shit constantly and gets along with most people beside her. Such a rebel, so mean! Yeah surely it's not the fact Yui is a bigoted bitch that results in friction, na TOTALLY on Yuuya.

Let’s just count the blindingly unprofessional and dishonest aspects.

Spoiler for Yui is a Stupid Bitch:

1-Treating her subordinate with utter contempt when he’s fulfilling all requirements.

Yuuya is doing his job and doing as he’s told, this is ALL that military discipline requires. No regulation says “and though shall love your assignment to a backwater during war time” You can’t force someone to like a position and attempting to do so is virtually always a bad idea, and unprofessional. If he’s doing his job STFU up and do yours.

Yuuya is showing exemplary professionalism by putting up with her bullshit. He’s not rising to the bait by and large, he’s doing his job, and he’s following orders. The fact that even other people are surprised he’s not struck her given how obviously she’s provoked him is rather telling.

2- She’s committing outright infractions against any sane conduct regulations and is a racist.

Can you imagine if a White Lieutenant told a mixed race soldier he was “embarrassment to Caucasians" That would fucking END a career so fast the officer’s neck might snap from the whiplash. One breath of that from Yuuya with the supporting witnesses should have her terminated immediately and reassigned. The fact he apparently just puts up with it and keeps quiet and does his job is showing the bitch FAR more respect then she deserves.

Also this isn’t any kind of lighthearted ribbing like calling someone a bumpkin or the like. That’s an outright direct insult to a person racial heritage insinuating there not living up to some stereotypical image of said heritage. The fun part is he’s acting rather more like the idealized Japanese then SHE is, as he’s gritting his teeth and doing his duty despite a vindictive and petty tyrant lording over him for little discernible reason, but her own festering ego.

3-Yuuya’s criticism of the Japanese TSF are entirely valid and admitted as much in universe.

A finky machine barely under control is a terrible design, and this is shit they should be looking to ELIMINATE in a new model. Not embracing due to some cultural jingoism. Yui comes off looking like a nationalist zealot while Yuuya appears to be looking at things from a rational military perspective as an easier to control and pilot machine will speed pilot training, reduce accidents, and IMPROVE combat defectiveness by allowing the pilot to just FLY not worry about keeping the machine in check.

An example that comes to mind is the F6F Hellcat in World war II. It was an unremarkable fighter of middling performance in all areas EXCEPT that it was legendary easy to fly even at the edge of its performance and rugged. This allowed even fairly average pilots to push it safely and reduced losses which in actual combat resulted in better performance. The pilot focused on the fight NOT keeping his aircraft under control or worrying it would fall apart on him. Nominally equal or superior Japanese machines were repeatedly trounced by it do to their unreliable mechanicals, poor electronic systems (yes this mattered even in WWII), weak build and a poorly thought out focus on a very limited sort of maneuverability. (Basically flat turn rate).

It would appear that in Muv-Luv the Japanese learned very little from WWII.

This is also the ENTIRE point of modern fly by wire systems. If the Japanese TSF are unstable and require active pilot work to keep functional that’s a DESIGN FLAW plain and simple. The control system is incompetently designed and no up to spec, as modern computers should be able to keep the machine stable and simply allow the pilot to focus on the fight. The Japanese seem to have come to blindly accept the idiocy of requiring a pilot to fight his machine for control in some misguided “warrior spirit" bullshit Yuuya as an outsider sees it for the stupidity it is and calls them on it.

Yui then resorts to nonsensical bullshit about how old pilots made due with worse, as if this somehow excuses the bad design. This is like arguing that we should accept a modern car without seatbelt or airbags because “old drivers survived without those”. Yes some of them survived, but scores also died because they lacked them. Yes older pilots made due with inferior TSF, but scores died because of that inferiority. This is why we’re building new ones that are supposed to perform better in all aspects you stupid bitch.

Why don’t you just go run at some BETA with a bloody Katana then? It was good enough for your ancestors after all.

Also acting like the machine doesn’t matter portrays an ignorance so profound one has to question her sanity. Blaming an inferior piece of equipment for failure can be an excuse, but it can also be an entirely justifiable one. If Yui was in charge of an exercise were an F-15s fought F-22 she would presumably berate the F-15 pilot for failing to win because of their inferior machine, and also ignoring that until two days before he was an F-16 pilot. (Ignoring for a moment that in reality retraining between fighters takes weeks if not months…). Probably frothing about them lacking ‘warrior spirit’ or such some such insanity.

It brings to mind a quote by the leading Jet ace post World War II Epstein when lamenting the switch over to 4th generation fighters with fly by wire systems: “You are not flying F-16, F-16 flies itself from its computer. You are only one of many inputs to the computer of the F-16. Me myself, as a pilot, I need the feelings. I need to enjoy the flight, and in F-16… you miss it. It’s not exactly the same. With the Mirage every flight is enjoyable, F-16 you can have unbelievable achievements, but the feeling is not the same. ”

This kind of wistful nostalgia appears to be the driving force behind Japanese TSF development going by Yui's nonsense, so no wonder their stuff gets plowed in the ass by modern US units like the F-22. And God forbid a test pilot likely brought in specifically to generate outside opinion and ideas question your dogma, clearly the proper course isn’t to consider his input. (Since you know that’s presumably why he was brought in on this JOINT PROJECT) No the proper response is to try and brainwash him into your backward way of thinking and reprimand him for not drinking the kool-aid with glee.

Actually given military bureaucracy regarding weapons procurement that’s not entirely unrealistic, but that doesn’t make it less stupid.

4- Yui is also something of a lair
The main Japanese TSF up until perhaps a year or two before this time are slightly modified F4 and F-15s AMERICAN UNITS. Probably BECAUSE they’re forgiving and easier to fly for the general TSF pilot then the finky and overwrought home models that require above average skill just to make controllable; because their designers are morons. She was flying an updated F-4 in her flashback sequence making the entire thing even more outrageous and hypocritical.

She though appears determined to make the next main fighter a twitchy hard to control mess that will kill pilots both in the inevitable training accidents and in combat as novices fight to control the machine instead of fighting the enemy, but hey who cares if we kill scores of valuable pilots if the handful that have the excesses of capability to keep it under control might glean SLIGHTLY more performance out of it? Design for the 1% not the 99% that’s a great model for wide scale military procurement!

It reminds me of the Me-109 really in the hands of a Hartman it was deadly with its reasonable speed and agility, and excellent climb rate making it a formidable foe throughout the war. In the hands of a novice though it was a death trap prone to uncontrollable departures if pushed even slightly too far, short ranged and unable to sustain damage, and extremely difficult to control during approaches and ground maneuvering. It killed SCORES of novices before they could gain the needed flight time to even partially master it and even the aces themselves lamented its vices in regards to having to try and train pilots on it in an increasingly desperate war situation.

And the German situation is fitting because we know at this time the war is not exactly going great and the supply of candidates is dwindling. This should make having the machine be easy to control and fly even MORE important, as the overall skill of pilots is likely to continue to degrade as more marginal candidates are accepted and training times reduced. This is a bleak perspective as it more or less acknowledges you’re losing the war, but if you hope to prolong it enough to find some kind of silver bullet to win with it’s the kind of logical and rational assessment that’s needed.

Not the idiotic romanticizing inherent in “man mastering machine” and “fighting just short of being out of control”

5- She’s also an idiot regarding training against BETA

Yeah the BETA are real hard to predict this is why it’s impossible to simulate there tactics and… OH WAIT. There is nothing “beyond our ability to predict” about “massive frontal attack with overwhelming numbers” indeed this is about the easiest tactic in the universe to predict. The BETA are rock stupid, unintelligent, and extremely predictable. They are not cunning foes; they don’t constantly field new units, they don’t infiltrate, and they don’t hide their numbers. They simply bash against defenses and die in droves until they win or are all dead.

The Bugs in the SST Cartoon series are roughly tens time as intelligent and adaptive. Rolling out more new strains and tactics in probably about three years then the BETA did in thirty. They also enslaved local populations for labor and soldiers, utilized shape shifters for infiltration, actively targeted important people for abduction to learn their secrets, and laid ambushes and traps repeatedly. When the enemy from a cartoon show meant for kids around 12-13 years old is massively more intelligent then your foe, trying to hype them up based on there tactical acumen comes off as rather laughable.

BETA are dangerous cause there’s lots of them and for no other reason whatsoever.

So seriously cut the crap Yui, your squad pretty much wiped to a pack of animals hard as that might be to accept. The BETA are not tactical geniuses and your blowhard nonsense to the contrary won’t change that. They're as predictable as the sunrise and just as easy to prepare for, so stop acting like it’s impossible to train for them, it’s not. In fact they’re so retarded that training with the tech we saw in the episode is probably a more or less exact approximation of combat minus the dying.

BETA aren’t going to suddenly pull new and novel tactics at you in the field. They’re just going to swarm toward you to be mowed down in droves until they all die or you do. This is not hard to simulate; actually just go play some Alien Swarm or any other “horde mode” game if you want a fairly accurate simulation. Fairly stupid enemies rush toward you on mass and are only a threat due to numbers; actually most horde modes are probably harder since the enemies often all have guns, some have special abilities, and they often know how to take cover.

6- In closing Yui is a bitch.

Seriously worst character in the show by a MILE spiteful, arrogant, and egotistical she has no apparent redeeming qualities whatsoever. All made even worse by the fact that it’s all presented in such a way that we seem to be supposed to be swayed by her raging idiocy and arrogance. Yeah no all I want to see is an actual professional officer slap the bitch Patton style and tell her to get her shit together or get gone. Having to put up with her is seriously hashing my enjoyment of this show to be honest.

And you make a massive wall of text that somehow is supposed to distract off from the fact that Yuuya is hostile towards her from the start? For what? I didn't say Yui is faultless....


It's more like loads of people here are wasting their time throwing one sided rants against what is a problem of character's personality

Also you realize me calling Yui a stereotypical samurai is not exactly a compliment?

[LeoXiao]

Maybe Yui is ignorant of the fact that it's much easier to be an American despite having ancestry somewhere else (which is the case for all Americans who aren't of native blood), and so when she notices "hey, this guy is half-Japanese", her national pride is insulted by his lack of proper behavior. It is incorrect of her to think of it this way, but it is IMO more defensible than the "all things Japanese suck" attitude Yuuya has.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Enternal

You are correct in a sense. However there is another problem is that Yui sees him as a Japanese as well as an American. He however identifies himself as an American and have tried to "discard" his Japanese side. Hence those racist comments are racist because he's an American and she said such things to him as Japanese. However, to her it's not exactly racist because to her Yuuya is a fellow compatriot. See the problem? It's rather messy in a way since it involves, national pride, identity issues, and other messy crap. This is why MUV LUV have included a character like Yuuya who is half Japanese and half American yet he identifies with his American side and discard his other side. He then meet another person who is fully Japanese who sees him as Japanese, the side that he supposedly discarded. In a way, he think he have thrown away that side of him but in fact in still sticks to him. Kind of shows that you can't simply throw away part of you since it what makes you you.

I think this whole Yui vs Yuuya is a way to show how both comes into terms of their own identity and how they should perceive others of the same race but not the same identity (Yuuya identifies him as an American while Yui identifies herself as Japanese and see Yuuya as a Japanese when he in fact is an American who threw away his Japanese side because to him the Japanese supposedly suck yet to Yui the Japanese are good as well and blah blah blah blah). <- MESSY

Actually, I think that he is trying to identify with the Caucasian side and negate the Japanese side due to his upbringing which did not strengthen his resolve to recognize the Japanese side. You can be an American and still recognize your Japanese heritage. Just like all the other ethnic groups who went thru the same problems here.

His problem lies in the fact he did not have any Japanese-American mentors or other family members to look up to. He did not learn to love his other heritage and to tell any discreditors to stfu.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Enternal

That bolded part is the part I want to see the most. If you look back many pages, how many times did you see people admitting that Yuuya is a rude prick or an ass? Not many. You keep seeing "bitch" here and "bitch" there but not much about Yuuya.

Anyways in terms of Yui's response, it was still started by Yuuya:

Spoiler:

Yui: Tell me, is your attitude related to the project?
Yuuya: No Liutenance (said in a somewhat rude manner).
Yui: Is the problem with me?
Yuuya: Not at all (said in a rude manner again. Just look at how he acts why answering her questions.)
Yui: Let me tell you something. Your unpleasant attitude is disruptive. If you don't have a reason for it. Fix it.
Yuuya: Is that an order Liutenance? Or is it merely an order to satisfy a personal desire.
Yui: Whichever you prefer. But fix it.
Yuuya: I will try but I can't promise you.

If he had responsed in a respectful manner to Yui to her questions, would you think she have said such racist crap to him? His actions offended her greatly, in tern, she offended him back greatly.

If he had also spoke about the Fubuki's weakness with a more respectful tone, would the same thing have happened again? What he was implying while smirking was: "The TSF that were developed by the Japanese is a piece of Junk". We wasn't ranting about it in a way that is meant to help the development but ranting in a way to insult Yui. Which is why they did a closeup of his smirk. Yui caught that smirk which results in more problems between the two.

That's why I will say again but both of them needs to get slapped by tuna.

Also his friend was questioning about why he did not punch her not because he is a brash guy.

In terms of the Asian thing, I never said anything about it to use for Yui. All I'm trying to say was explaining Yuuya's problem regarding his identity. So nothing else to add there.

You know, it'd help if you A: Post the entire conversation and B: keep in mind the events of the previous episode. You will remember that this conversation was after Yui pretty much blew up the bridge of friendship between the two with the "you disappoint me" remark and in this conversation you left out the part where Yui assigns Yuuya a task at odds with the goals stated in his records without any explanation whatsoever while, again, addressing him aggressively with "kisama" again.

So, no, initial hostility is again from Yui's side.

As for nobody admitting Yuuya is a prick... Browsing back, pretty much everyone seems to agree that Yuuya is rude. It's just that Yui's bitchyness eclipses Yuuya's rudeness so much it slings of into goddamn orbit.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by Keroko

You know, it'd help if you A: Post the entire conversation and B: keep in mind the events of the previous episode. You will remember that this conversation was after Yui pretty much blew up the bridge of friendship between the two with the "you disappoint me" remark and in this conversation you left out the part where Yui assigns Yuuya a task at odds with the goals stated in his records without any explanation whatsoever while, again, addressing him aggressively with "kisama" again.

So, no, initial hostility is again from Yui's side.

As for nobody admitting Yuuya is a prick... Browsing back, pretty much everyone seems to agree that Yuuya is rude. It's just that Yui's bitchyness eclipses Yuuya's rudeness so much it slings of into goddamn orbit.

Well the entire conversation was only a couple posts back. It's not like people are going to get lost.

Yui's bitchyness eclipses Yuuya's rudeness that much? Perhaps it is so if everyone exaggerates it to orbit and back.

Originally Posted by orion

Yes. Cryska needs to get involved.

Cryska: You're both idiots.
*slugs Yui and then Yuuya*
Inia: Onee-chan, you don't need to be so cruel. You hurt Yuuya.
*runs over to comfort Yuuya. Yuuya blushes.*
Cryska: Sorry, but they deserved it.
Yui: What did you say?!
*Yui slugs Cryska.*
*Cat fight starts. Uniforms rip. More fanservice ensues. Viewers happy.*
Go Russia!

Needs more Inia action!

[Keroko]

Yui seems to be intent on being a thorn in Yuuya's side, constantly harasses him, speaks to him both very aggressively and condensing, ignores the very reason he was brought to this project in the first place, ignores him when he does his job anyway and is unable to keep racist comments to herself on top of that.

Yuuya is just rude. And only to someone who is persistently aggressive and condensing towards him. You'll notice he's very friendly with pretty much everyone else, even the weird girl he just meets in an alley.

[jtstellar]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I swear just give those two some guns and let them settle it. Just waiting for someone to snap and start trying to kill the other. Two sides that are not going to easily see each others point of view.

that might not even be the point. in manga there's not even such thing as "Yui's point of view".. has anyone read the original novel? i am not sure which is closer to the original material. manga began right from the training and it seems as if the director of anime purposely added Yui's combat experience and these extra dialogues non-existent in the manga to make yuuya appear way more childish and asinine during conversations between the two, to what end? possibly to appeal to japanese audience by making Yui appear less repulsive

people commenting on this series seem to keep forgetting the director's part in this, whether he willingly diluted yuuya's maturity because he is american, to give the 'japanese point of view' favor. the director might have done it for commercial reasons, or it may be some way to display his patriotism. a childish way, if i may add, to twist other people's original story to fit your world view. certainly yuuya is way less childish in the manga, at least compared to the anime, in terms of his work ethic and the rate he complains.

i would say he complains half as much in the manga and comes across less as whining as he does in the anime. when he does complain, it is him asking why Yui hasn't implemented some of the changes he requested on his machine. he would occasionally throw in some scolding, like "is there some issue to japanese's technical capability? is it deficient in some way? if not, why have you not made the adjustments and re-balances i requested?" often followed by Yui's nonsensical, inflammatory, and childish responses. it's much closer to lines of professionalism when he complains, as opposed to the way he does in the anime, while Yui comes across as petty. this is why i am asking if anybody's read the most original story. is manga truer to the real yuuya, or is it the anime so far.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yui seems to be intent on being a thorn in Yuuya's side, constantly harasses him, speaks to him both very aggressively and condensing, ignores the very reason he was brought to this project in the first place, ignores him when he does his job anyway and is unable to keep racist comments to herself on top of that.

Yuuya is just rude. And only to someone who is persistently aggressive and condensing towards him. You'll notice he's very friendly with pretty much everyone else, even the weird girl he just meets in an alley.

*pulls out a 60 lb Tuna and slugs Yuuya and Yui with it
"GET A ROOM YOU TWO!!"
"Oh! Take Cryska and Inia with you while you're at it"

You also forgot that Yui's Japanese so of course if anything, he's definitely going to be rude to her and not the others who have nothing to do with his sore spot. Also that weird girl? It's Inia heh.

[novalysis]

Well... yes.

I'd expect that Shippers will ship Yuuya and Yui very hard.

[orion]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Well... yes.

I'd expect that Shippers will ship Yuuya and Yui very hard.

Only because Cryska is too hot to handle. Adding Inia brings it to nuclear level.

Go Russia!

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by orion

Only because Cryska is too hot to handle. Adding Inia brings it to nuclear level.

Go Russia!

But... wouldn't that make things more exciting? For some, risky things are very enticing.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Enternal

But... wouldn't that make things more exciting? For some, risky things are very enticing.

This is why I'm rooting for Russia, the dark horses. The "safe choice" is to root for Yui.

[Jmko]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Well... yes.

I'd expect that Shippers will ship Yuuya and Yui very hard.

The more tsun she is now, the more dere she will be later.

[shadow1296]

yuuya probably would never have been rude to yui if it wasnt for that comment she said when they first met, is yuuya being a prick to her yes, is yui being a bitch to him hell yes, would he have been a prick to her if she wasnt a bitch to him first, no he wouldn't have
so yui started all this when you think about it

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by shadow1296

yuuya probably would never have been rude to yui if it wasnt for that comment she said when they first met, is yuuya being a prick to her yes, is yui being a bitch to him hell yes, would he have been a prick to her if she wasnt a bitch to him first, no he wouldn't have
so yui started all this when you think about it

True. Should he have continued his rudeness towards her then? He could have stopped it with his attitude and perhaps their relationship would have turn better. However, he took her bad initial comment and use that as a way to continue to be rude to her over and over again. In other words, he let the word of a superior officer gets to him and then then repeated offend her with his attitude. If that is the case, then he's no better than she is.

[jtstellar]

Originally Posted by Enternal

So let see what happened during two scenes in this episode.

Yuuya: A practice unit?
Yui: Correct. Until the Shiranui is operational, you will be piloting a Fubuki Type 97 practice TSF.
*Yuuya looks displeased
Yuuya to himself: Did this women even looked at my records?
Yui: You look disatsified.
Yuuya: I have not been given enough information to be disatisfied.
Yui: Tell me, is your attitude related to the project?
Yuuya: No Liutenance (said in a somewhat rude manner).
Yui: Is the problem with me?
Yuuya: Not at all (said in a rude manner again. Just look at how he acts why answering her questions.)
Yui: Let me tell you something. Your unpleasant attitude is disruptive. If you don't have a reason for it. Fix it.
Yuuya: Is that an order Liutenance? Or is it merely an order to satisfy a personal desire.
Yui: Whichever you prefer. But fix it.
Yuuya: I will try but I can't promise you.
Yui: According to the records, you're a second-generation Japanese.
*Yuuya looks upset
Yui: As a fellow member of the same race, Your haughty attitude is upsetting and an embarassedment to the Japanese.
Yuuya to himself: How dare she...
Yui: Make sure you read the manual for the Fubuki and understand it.

His friend even told him that it's not a bad idea to start to understand the Japanese mindset to be able to pilot the TSF. However since he's currently having issues with his own Japanese side, he was not willing to learn how they think so that he could pilot the TSF efficiently unlike the other pilots on his team which is why he was slowing down the other pilots during the simulation battle. Which leads into:

Yui: You're not used to the machine so you could not keep your Fubuki under control. That's partly forgivable. However you could have slowly descent in circle instead of barging straight in. (She said it in a very nice tone and manner. She wasn't mocking him either. Just giving him advice).
Yuuya: I'm sorry Lieutenant but this TSF is a piece of junk. (He said in a cocky arrogant manner)
Yuuya: *goes on to explain the problem with the machine which all makes sense considering the different purpose of the machine.
Yui: However this machine is no harder to control than any of the other Imperial TSF.
Yuuya: I find that hard to believe. (shows his cocky smile again)
Yui: *goes on about how other soldiers can easily use it. That means you're less inept than an Imperial trainee. You lack talent.
*Yuuya was shocked and upset.

In the first scene, he clearly starts the fight with Yui which after repeatedly offending her with his behavior, she said what she said. He was clearly upset about that incident and then took the incident to heart and acted badly again during the second scene in the episode. The whole time Yui never really displayed much emotions but it was clear she's offended by Yuuya. It was also clear at how rude he was since that's what the episode was trying to show by zooming onto his smiling face and how he answered to Yui questions.

Just tell me. If a superior officer is asking you questions, is that how you respond to them? Rudely and acting rudely with your arms and flailing your arms about? While at the same time smirking and what not?

and maybe that's exactly how the director wants you to think and he twisted the original story to accomplish his purposes, and apparently, he has you. congrats. i don't dispute the fact that there is always a line somewhere when a behavior comes across as unacceptable even on a personal-relation basis, let alone professionalism, when you are at work. the point is, the director can shift that behavior anywhere he wants, depending on where the line should be drawn, and if he so wishes, he can always make Yuuya appear childish. therefore the point is not to be useful idiots, but find out what Yuuya is actually like in the most original writing/novel. otherwise you're just interpreting some japanese who wishes to make american appear more b*tchy in an argument between the two.

i mean people are finding an interpreted story by a japanese director targeting mainly japanese audience to see that an american in the story wages verbal warfare and ends up on the losing end every single time--how damn utterly surprising

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by jtstellar

and maybe that's exactly how the director wants you to think and he twisted the original story to accomplish his purposes, and apparently, he has you. congrats

Oh? Then he did his job. But since you saying that's not the original story, please go ahead and explain how it should be. I'm also rather curious since I don't know the manga version very well at least.

Spoiler:

Except I do know the battle outcome of Yui and Yuuya which is rather interesting