2008-07-11, 11:54 | Link #1023 |
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OHHHHHH SHITTTTT...
So Cross finally said the magic words... But, despite that, they're being very very very vague about who's who in that flashback as well as in the story that Cross told. If Mana is that Clown, then who is that other boy? Cross? The 14th? What's more, in that image with the two boys, which one is which? P.S- I almost forgot, here's the Obligated "Lenalee is cute" comment... OMG, Lenalee looks so cute in that one scene!
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2008-07-11, 12:05 | Link #1024 |
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Oh nonono, I don't think that's how it works... If Mana doesn't have a memory of Noah, he won't be one. Oh now I see it... Wait, then that scene with the two boys while Cross was talking means... That... Oh shit, now I see it... In that scene, that was what the 14th looked like, he was the boy on the right, while Mana was the boy on the left. When the 14th died, he was reborn into Allen, who met with Mana again, several years later... Spoiler for Left - Mana, Right - 14th:
Looking back at the earlier pages, the boy (Allen) with the Clown looks alot like the 14th. One concern for me though is... That Boy doesn't behave like Allen at all, let alone look like him... Could there perhaps be two Allens? Nah... Right ? EDIT: Btw, I almost forgot, if the 14thwas in fact a young boy back then, it would support my theory that Road and the 14th might have some kind of relationship back then... Which might explain her unhealthy attachment to Allen...
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2008-07-11, 12:33 | Link #1026 |
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This is so confusing...
I feel bad for Allen though. I hope Mana didn't take in Allen just so he could be a body for the 14th. That would suckkk. I get the picture of Mana and the 14th as children, but in the beginning, whose the clown and whose the little boy? The little boy looks a lot like the 14th.. and nothing like Allen. For one, their hair colors are different shades. Unless Allen bleaches his hair all the time.... And I just don't get the clown. |
2008-07-11, 12:40 | Link #1027 |
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I think Allen was already the 14th reincarnated. It wasn't something that Mana started or anything.
And IMO, the clown = mana. the little boy = allen aka reincarnated 14th? Could be his hair turned white after he summoned back Mana's soul?
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2008-07-11, 17:41 | Link #1031 |
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Kudos to Hoshino-sensei for this chapter.
Not only does the author threw some answers to the readers but kept things ambiguous and vague to be opened for interpretation. Just like everybody else, I'm as well confused regarding the identities of the boy and the clown during the first eight pages of the chapter; reading all of your posts regarding the subject. I absolutely loved how the manga-ka setup the mini-flashback at the beginning of this chapter. It kind of reminded me how Yagi-sensei wrote up the Teresa arc at the start of the third volume to the Claymore manga. The first time I read into it I have no clue or idea about the identities of the new characters introduced. Same reaction can be applied at the beginning of chapter 166 for DGM. I didn't know what's up with the kid and the Clown at first. Spoiler:
But still I have doubts if that boy with the clown is actually Allen. The D.Gray-man fact book 1 lists that Mana found and adopted Allen on Christmas Day, and that Allen supposedly was abandoned by his biological parents due to the deformity of his right arm. But never explicitly states whether or not Mana found Allen as a baby or as a kid. Secondly, I have something wrong with myself. Spoiler:
The other possibility is that the boy is actually.... Spoiler:
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I don't know, his personality is just the complete opposite of Allen, even when he was a kid, Allen has always been shown to be meek... And this boy just seems like a different build than Allen. Quote:
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I say, that the boy with Clown-Mana is in fact the 14th, in his eternally youthful stage. So why did Mana call him 'Allen' ? I'm thinking that the 14th's real name is also Allen. And being the brother of Mana Walker, that would make him "Allen Walker". Which then leaves the issue of his left arm, but looking carefully, we can't confirm if that arm is in fact the same Innocence arm as Allen. Sure it looks the same, but that image doesn't show if it has the Innocence Cross at the back of his hand... Btw, I now don't think that Allen was the reborn 14th, not 'naturally' anyway. From what Cross said at the end, Mana had implanted Allen with the 14th's memory of the 'Song', meaning he wasn'tborn with the memory.
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2008-07-11, 18:22 | Link #1033 |
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God damnnit
Everytime would have fitted if it weren't for THIS scene Spoiler:
Change in theory, 'Allen' is NOT the 14th yet, then that would mean that Clown is NOT Mana... Maybe... Mana would eventually become that's clown's disciple?
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2008-07-11, 18:49 | Link #1035 | |
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Gah!!! I hate that flashback It feels so... Too many things are SO vague!! It would be fine to think that boy is indeed Allen, but his personality, looks and everything just screams 'NO'. Another mystery is, where does Cross come into this?
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2008-07-11, 19:06 | Link #1037 | |
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2008-07-11, 21:06 | Link #1039 |
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ok now I found it strange why so many people doubt it? the boy is definitely Allen and the clown is mana. Allen probably learn a gentlemen way from mana hence changed his personality - Allen were adopted during chrismas right? make sense that mana adopted allen after that since it's gonna be christmas soon. about allen hair - I don't know what cause it to turn white but his sadness over mana death could cause it (+innocence influence)
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2008-07-11, 21:15 | Link #1040 | |
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