2012-08-24, 19:54 | Link #262 |
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I presume s/he is talking about me. I don't see what FUD I'm spreading. SmartScreen is turned on by default and will send information to Microsoft about everything you install along with your IP address. Whether you think that is a good idea or not is up to you. I'd imagine that most people who buy a new computer with Windows 8 on it will have no idea that this is happening nor will they know how to turn it off.
If it is offered at setup, is the user completely informed about the potential privacy issues involved, or just told that this is something that will help protect his or her computer against malware? Look, I don't really care what operating system people use as long as they are fully informed about the options and tradeoffs involved. In my experience Microsoft has been less than forthright about potential privacy issues and just keeps adding more and more features that result in your computer checking in with Redmond. Personally I find that objectionable. You may not care. It's your call. You're welcome to suggest to the moderators that I be banned from AnimeSuki. I doubt you'll get very far with that, but you can give it a try. Or you can give me negative rep. Whatever floats your boat.
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2012-08-24, 22:21 | Link #264 | ||
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On by default means that average joes lose another chunk of privacy without being aware of it. This is bad, but isn't the alternative worse? It's a useful security feature, making it default off means that the average joe that would benefit from the feature most won't use it since they have no clue it exists. |
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2012-08-24, 23:07 | Link #265 |
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There's been a recent flood of Windows analyst reviews from the various PC magazines. General sense is, "for tablets? great!" ... for desktops, "not so much" -- vertical surfaces and touchscreens are ergonomic swamps and it will take more mouse clicks to do the same thing.
It really boils down to the "one size doesn't fit all" problem with a UI and the fact that the major applications (Office, Photoshop, software development suites, etc) simply aren't going to be touch-ified. One analyst characterized it as "if you're a *CONSUMER* of content, you're going to be less annoyed with Win8 than you are if you are a *CREATOR* of content". Sources ... well, this is from thumbing through all the magazines on the bookrack tonight :P
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2012-08-25, 05:42 | Link #267 | |
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For the record, I prefer the Start Screen so far, that doesn't mean everyone else should because, frankly, there's no reason strong enough. Example, I like being able to easily customize the Start Screen. Someone who is already customizing the Start Menu another way may not care about that. Someone who doesn't even care about customizing anything won't care either. When stripping the argument of subjective reasoning, the only thing left is what everyone can tell and agree on : "MS was left behind in the fast approaching mobile computing era and is desperately trying to reach the other major companies by forcing a mobile paradigm on its huge desktop userbase in order to create a need for or familiriaty with its mobile platform." I'm afraid most of the changes on 8 boil down to this one truth. Someone might say MS also offers coherence and interoperability but Windows RT is proof that many desktop elements won't be able to move between devices so that point is a bit weak.
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2012-08-25, 07:02 | Link #268 |
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I disagree it's change for the sake of change. And I'm of the folk that's not terribly enthusiastic about windows 8. Actually unless somehow metro apps aren't backward compatible (which I believe they are) I'll be sticking to win7 for a long long while.
IMO metro is a (necessary) evil/move towards focusing on a society that is technologically aware. If there's something I've learned dealing with technologically illiterate people (like my parents; we've probably all been there =P) is that IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER how "user friendly it is". There's this giant wall, and you either cross it or you don't, and only then is acceptability an issue. Personally I've only had some small contact with metro though a few ocasional apps I've tried that used the design (github's app for one). While I might not be too enthusiastic about the whole touch and change in the interface, the (what appears to me to be) larger range of artistic freedom with the application can only help with the user experience. Yes, all the metro apps I tried (just so happens) were kind of useless; but the metro part was pretty nice, I find it's design decisions to be forward thinking towards encouraging people to build apps that aren't just collections of the same old knobs; which can only be a good thing. So I'm willing to give some benefit of a doubt to their other design decisions. Having an universal interface isn't really a bad idea anyway.
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2012-08-25, 14:01 | Link #269 | |
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With that out of the way, actual benefits would depend on the user's actual use. The Start screen provides live tiles capability for non-desktop apps, semantic zoom, app grouping and labeling, and a full screen experience which allows more apps and search results to be shown at once. That said, the reason that makes the Start screen not just change for the sake of change is that it allows Microsoft to provide one interface that would work better with touch and with keyboard + mouse than the Start menu. What do you mean by backwards compatible? If you mean that they would be installable on earlier versions of Windows, then they won't. If you mean that they would interoperate with their desktop versions that could be installed on earlier versions of Windows, then it depends on the app developer. |
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2012-08-26, 14:04 | Link #271 | |
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Developers can make a desktop app that utilize the Metro design language and can be installed on previous versions of Windows, but it will still be a desktop app and won't have all of the inherent features of a Windows 8 non-desktop app. |
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2012-08-26, 16:08 | Link #273 |
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Among other things:
- Paid apps can be installed on up to 5 Windows 8/RT devices at any one time. - ARM-compiled apps can be installed on Windows RT devices. - Windows Store manages discovery, trial, purchase, installation, and update. - It is capable of syncing certain app settings and in-app purchase across Windows 8/RT devices. - It is persistent across PC refresh, a new Windows 8 feature. |
2012-08-26, 16:18 | Link #274 |
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So nothing that's even worth remembering.
The microsoft managing updates reminds me of a really stupid incident recently where a game didn't patch a very nasty save bug because the amount microsoft asked for to pass the update was just not worth it. Now ain't that awesome for us consumers?
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2012-08-26, 16:33 | Link #276 |
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I guess.
I'm a little hard pressed to think of who "needs" all those exclusive features. Seems like it's just another shitty control idiocracy (like themes in windows xp, various security nonsense in vista, etc). Also I heard something about microsoft having problems with the "metro" name.
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2012-08-26, 16:42 | Link #277 | |
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The features I listed add convenience in some form or another. And if the popularity of the iPad is any indication, full control is not high on everybody's priority compared to the convenience of using the device. Of course, not everybody feels the same way, and that's okay. |
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2012-08-26, 20:30 | Link #278 | |
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2012-08-27, 10:08 | Link #279 |
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It's all about "walled gardens" these days, and the consequent lock-in they provide. Sure they may be convenient for consumers who only care about simplicity, but the real motive for creating AppStores and the like is to restrict competition though a form of vertical integration.
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2012-08-27, 10:22 | Link #280 | |
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