2013-03-02, 16:08 | Link #12521 |
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Well, yeah, you're right. If we're being technical.
But, really, I feel as though the word "hate" has already been bastardized enough on the internet so that it really is just an expression of strong dislike anyways, and not the orthodox, focused rage and contempt that we used to know. I dunno. It seems that people aren't as hesitant to say it as you'd think. But that's off-topic.
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2013-03-02, 17:20 | Link #12525 | |
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There's also the fact that like Endscape stated everyones a critic, it's hard to "objectively" display why something you don't like in the manga is bad if it's obvious a certain part or a large part of your dislike against it is simply a biased preference due to illogical reasons (like something just rubs you the wrong way), so they downplay their biased dislike in order to come off as "objectively" right. When honestly nothing is objectively right. Can't really explain it much better than that I think, sorry. |
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2013-03-02, 17:27 | Link #12526 |
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I don't know. I don't 100% agree with the fact that people are so hesitant to use and abuse the word, though I can agree to most of what you said. Tbh, the word "hate" gives me nearly no pause whatsoever on the internet nowadays, certainly not to the level you're describing. Although in this certain case, you might as well just label it "strong dislike" to avoid confusion.
But hey, maybe that's just me. I'm not that big on forums anyways. I mostly just lurk. I've only really interacted with very few ones(like this one).
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Besides, if she weren't so over the top a protagonist, I probably wouldn't have gotten the awesome Kumagawa and the godly Ajimu to be her foils. So for that I'll always be thankful. |
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Well I admit I'm guilty of it as well(coming up with "rational reasons" to dislike a character). Yeah a person can have reasons but they're still their own reasons, not necessarily indisputable fact or interpretation. I admit I have had shifting views of Kumagawa. Sometimes I think he's interesting in how blunt he is, other times it seems like he's pulling random shit in hopes of it being entertaining, when it's really just doing the same thing over again. |
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2013-03-03, 05:06 | Link #12529 | |
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One would suppose the manga would lead anyone to think the exact opposite. After all, being a vortex for shounen tropes in the manga has always been Medaka's job, and being the anti-thesis to shounen tropes has been Zenkichi's job since chapter 123. I mean, really, all it takes for me is one glimpse at their "personalities", their skills, as the manga puts it. Different inpterpretations, I guess. Not going to say mine is correct, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it was.
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2013-03-03, 14:31 | Link #12538 |
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Still thats a little too sad since luffy is enjoying his adventures but he also treassures the time he spents in his ship with his friends also he really doesnt get involved if its something that doesnt concern him , unlike that medaka looks for trouble all time and she doesnt enjoy simple joys of life at all . Both medaka and luffy are shounen heros but i like luffy when i hate medaka also i think medaka is the disgrace of all shounen heros , not that because she is a women but because she is a bitch .
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2013-03-03, 15:04 | Link #12539 |
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^I'm unable to understand one single word of what you just said. Medaka is rather legit. A disgraceful main would be someone like Ichigo from Bleach, the worst shounen with the worst hero I've ever read.
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2013-03-03, 15:42 | Link #12540 |
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@Kurusu You hate Ichigo? Granted, I'm not a huge fan of him either, but I wouldn't say he's the worst hero i've ever read.
Throwing my two cents regarding Medaka Box overall, I think part of the problem is that as a parody and deconstruction, it does have to take a specific route. Medaka's parody of the shonen hero is merely one kind of shonen hero. Even as one of the most prevalent kinds of heroes, a hero or protagonist isn't something which can be easily pigeonholed, so sometimes it verges on shallow parody. Yes, being the main character affords certain privileges(since it is their story), but there's really no guarantee what kind of story they get. I view Medaka and Zenkichi as something of a deconstruction and reconstruction of heroic archetypes. Medaka has been endowed with a lot as a protagonist, being near invincible, talented in everything, and by the end of the series has learned empathy. But gradually she realizes that she doesn't really have a concrete goal that's truly hers so has to search for it. Zenkichi embodies the hard-working character without natural talent, who may never take the spotlight but has his own victories, and gradually becomes someone who can support others in addition to Medaka. |
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