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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh
That's really Gaelio's interpretation. While it's not completely false, his blindness to Gjallarhorn's wrong makes it flawed.
Besides, one thing that Macky did understand is that power comes in many forms.
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I think this too is important to note. Gaelio didn't really understand McGillis at all in season one, because even though he thought he saw the real person, he only saw the mask under the mask. He never saw what Iznario was doing to him, never knew what had happened and was still happening to his friend. We see that in the few jokes that he makes about him and Iznario and when he asks if Macky will go home after being away for so long. He know there was a lot of tension between the two, but he didn't know that Macky was basically Iznario's slave.
And even after becoming Vidar, Gaelio has still misjudged him. He was the one who suggested that McGillis was only after power during the MA incident, when that hadn't been the man's aim at all. It only became an idea after Iok woke the thing up and everything was in pieces anyway.
Gaelio does understand a part of McGillis, but I don't think even now, he completely understands him. I don't even know if Gaelio understands WHY McGillis is that way, and why the two really could never connect growing up. He just thinks he's power mad--
because.
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Originally Posted by Tenzen12
In this very episode Gaelio said he and Carta would and were supporting McGillis in his reforms and even after he was "killed" he still went pretty far reinvestigate his motives before deciding Rustal Is lesser evil and promise him his obedience, so I think you are wronging him quite bit
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I don't think Carta at least would have. Sure she was obsessed with McGillis, but she was obsessed with honor and glory more, and to tear everything down like that? Yeah, I think she would have folded quick, especially if it came to taking down her own family and throwing her family name in the mud. She was also part of the corruption of Gjallarhorn herself, and I think Gaelio is simply looking through the lens of friendship when he said that.
As for Gaelio himself, while I commend him for saying that he would have helped him. I have to say that the fact that he was a spoiled brat at the time that treated everything as a game, might not have gotten the point across. To McGillis it wouldn't have been a smart decision, and it would have required a lot of trust, trust that Macky may not have been able to give.
Because, while it's nice to say all that in hindsight, if Gaelio supposedly saw all this corruption, why didn't HE do anything about it? Him just letting things go on despite knowing how bad things were and/or waiting for McGillis to say something was arguably worse than being corrupt himself. He had much more power and authority that McGillis, and yet McGillis was planning and working behind the scenes even then, Gaelio was comfortable in staying to his playboy lifestyle.
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Originally Posted by DMurphy
Here's an interesting question to ponder: When did McGillis get AV implants? Did he get them himself, or did Iznario have him undergo the surgery when he was a child?
I feel like the latter makes more sense, because -- well, Iznario went and adopted an orphaned child prostitute, which is an odd thing to do (even accounting for the fact that Iznario is a paedophile), unless he wanted an adopted son to receive AV implants and thus become able to pilot Bael, ensuring that the Fareed family would reign supreme over Gjallarhorn, while also ensuring that the Fareed line wouldn't be muddied with cyborg-ery.
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Iznario was a pig, if I'm getting the scenes right, it looks like he bought a bunch of different blond child sex slaves and basically made his own little blond shota harem that he he kept at a separate property. He gave all the boys luxuries they didn't have before, including food, a roof over their heads, and even schooling and recreational activities, while basically keeping them prisoners as his little sex pets.
McGillis proved to be the smartest and strongest of them, and he probably was Iznario's favorite stress relief, and Iznario needed an "heir" since his tastes didn't lead to a wife and children obviously. Macky was the answer to both of those. A child who was good enough to become Seven Stars material as he grew up, and yet also would bascially be a live in sex slave that no one had to question. It was all very
convienent. 
As to when he go AV? We don't know. I don't think it was recently, because would have seen him healing from the surgery.
And Gjallarhorn has been using and studying the technology for a long time, he was the one who had to explain it to Gaelio when they first met Mika. It's possible that Iznario had Macky do the procedure after he began to become "too old" for him. I mean, he wouldn't spoil the boy's body with such a thing until after it was useless to him.
However, it could have also been done between seasons. We'll have to see.
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Originally Posted by Batknight
Anyways when it comes to Mcgillis vs Gaelio argument I find it incredibly difficult to side with either and both seem to be in the wrong. Gaelio is loyal to Rustal who, if his side were to succeed in stopping Mcgillis's coup, would become the most powerful member in the organization. This would ensure the status quo which only values order/stability of Gjallarhorn meaning it will stay the corrupt, oppressive regime that it is, continuing to carry out war crimes as well as all atrocities we've witnessed. So while Gaelio has always shown his dislike and distaste for it, he's always been willing to put up with it and turn a blind eye for his own convenience. Be it in season one due to his family being so ingrained in the system as well as being a spoiled, prideful brat, and now because it's his only way to crush Mcgillis who betrayed their friendship, burned down his world and is trying to take everything from him once again.
Speaking of Mcgillis, while his intentions and ideals are certainly noble, the thing that is driving him makes him incredibly dangerous and just the wrong person to carry out this revolution to implement his reforms. Mcgillis only views things through the lens of violence, hate, anger, and how much power a person holds. This is all he ever knew growing up and the only thing he understands. He comes off as child whose been abused his entire life and is doing everything not to be taken advantage of again. The only solace he's ever had and the thing that stopped him from killing himself to escape his rape filled life was Agnika Kaieru and the classical ideals of Gjallarhorn which, like him, have been perverted and violated by old men and an old system which he wishes to cleanse so he can live up to his saviour and become him, which will give him the power and safety that he seeks. So while his reforms are needed, I think in the long run his obsessive, all-consuming need for power to give himself a sense of security would ruin any good he wants to do due to his twisted nature.
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I actually think this is a very good interpertation on where things stand. There's really wrong on both sides and really no third option. And while I'm liking the mature Gaelio he's still surrounding himself with the wrong people. They said that they were trying to make Gaelio to be what would Garma have turned out like if he had survived Char's betrayal, which is interesting that I think Garma too would have changed, but he would have still stayed with the rest of his family, who were worse than he.
And so, while Gaelio has matured, he still stays loyal to that old regime, even knowing what it has done. He's still supporting Rustal surpressing a coup, which would also surpress any kind of change that might be made. His desire to kill McGillis is blinding him to the bigger picture.
Because after he kills Macky and takes down all of his allies, what happens then? Everything would just return right back to the way it was. And he would still be supposedly watching the corruption happen right in front of him, again from the sidelines. Doing nothing, and will let another Macky be created through Gjallarhorn's rotten nature.
McGillis too is letting power and the fact that he's almost connected to his goal, overwhelm him as well, and that is very dangerous. He has the right ideas, but is beginning become twisted himself.
Unless, perhaps that is his plan all along? To do a sort of Lelouch like plan?
I feel that if Macky was indeed to become the final big bad, this episode should have come about 3-4 episodes from now, it feels much too early for that considering how much time we have left.
I could have been as stupid and uncaring as this guy.
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