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StratoSpear · 2012-02-18, 00:21

If the Stinger has a foregrip and the shoulder support. Accurate shots do sound feasible provided the user doesn't simply let out a spray of bullets.

As for the Desert Ranger, it's a balance of some sort. If the the recoil reduction lies in the grip, the user's hands will be able to remain stable at each shot fired.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-18, 00:26

Uzi's are horribly inaccurate with no foregrip or sights. They're mostly used as crowd clearers and spray and pray rather than for accurate gunfighting.

Going home, he back in an hour.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-18, 00:27

I don't think I ever heard a knife being upgraded. Unless you talk about electronic component within the knife, theoretically infinite.

Also, yay for fore-grip, one-handed wielding be damned.

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-18, 00:30

Also, I'm not sure if it's possible for the KRISS anti-recoil tech to be used for smaller units than the KRISS unit itself. I think the mechanism used needs to be a certain mass and size before it's effective. If you place it on a handgun, the effect may possibly be negligible.

StratoSpear · 2012-02-18, 01:06

Got a brief summary of my take on a Second Shift Blue Tears:

Spoiler for Alice:

How does it look?

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-18, 01:18

The railguns carrying an explosive payload seem odd. Many sources on railguns as weapons talk about the advantage of railguns not needing gunpowder or explosives at all as an advantage because the kinetic force of the slug is enough to cause massive damage akin to explosions. Though I've never seen how a target fared after being hit with one.

StratoSpear · 2012-02-18, 01:29

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

The railguns carrying an explosive payload seem odd. Many sources on railguns as weapons talk about the advantage of railguns not needing gunpowder or explosives at all as an advantage because the kinetic force of the slug is enough to cause massive damage akin to explosions. Though I've never seen how a target fared after being hit with one.

IS units tend to sport barriers which negates most caliber weapons. Though I'm pretty sure pilots would still flinch at the impact of a .79 caliber shell.

Living up to the suppression fire role of the Blue Tears, having that much force complemented by an explosive payload will most probably knock just just about any IS units off the skies, or at least throw the pilots into momentary disarray.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-18, 01:32

@ Senpai - Thinking of upgrades I can add to the JK. Any suggestions?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-18, 01:32

@ Demi

indeed odd, especially the fact that Railgun directly conducts electricity to the projectile, which mean bad for the detonation fuse.

Coilgun however has no such problem, and the magnetic accelerator is used as substitute for propellant. Again detonation fuse become a problem of sort, it has to be able to survive high acceleration, therefore the maximum launching velocity will be limited, or opting for longer barrel.

@ Eras

How about high temperature caused by frequency oscillation, enhances it's ability to cut through soft target (flesh, kevlar etc).

StratoSpear · 2012-02-18, 01:36

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Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

indeed odd, especially the fact that Railgun directly conducts electricity to the projectile, which mean bad for the detonation fuse.

Coilgun however has no such problem, and the magnetic accelerator is used as substitute for propellant.

I thought it would make the shell more... volatile, reducing the chances of misfiring upon impact. "Misfiring" as in the shell doesn't go kaboom when its supposed to.

Would Coilguns be able to launch a .79 shell at Mach 6.5 right off the bat?

Eratas123 · 2012-02-18, 01:36

I thought of that (Metal gear FTW), but how do you do that to a knife?

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-18, 01:38

@stratos: depends on how much juice you're providing to the magnets and how long the barrel length is. Both are relative to the muzzle velocity.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-18, 01:39

@ Stratos
Or maybe, having thee shell go BOOM before it's even leaving the barrel. We're talking about large amount of electricity here (that may ignite the payload).

@ Eras
By conducting electric pulse into the blade itself (or a heating element within it), superheating the blade (the energy has to go somewhere). Think an iron, but 20 times hotter.

EDIT: however this means the blade will became brittle and using it at hard surface will damage the blade.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-18, 01:40

Wouldn't that burn his hand if he tries to use it?

StratoSpear · 2012-02-18, 01:42

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

@stratos: depends on how much juice you're providing to the magnets and how long the barrel length is. Both are relative to the muzzle velocity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

@ Stratos
Or maybe, having thee shell go BOOM before it's even leaving the barrel. We're talking about large amount of electricity here (that may ignite the payload).

Seeing as how the Minerva's Pitone railcannons could do the trick, I'm going to run with the idea that "IS can do better". So I'll be doing some minor rectifications to that.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-18, 01:44

Nope if the handle is well insulated, but he will felt immense air temperature due to heat radiation (again, that energy has to go somewhere) similar to the case of beam saber. Irish will be a walking air heater.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-18, 01:47

Does that mean he can never sheath the blade if it's activated? Also, does stabbing that to someone kill them?

Side note - How come manga always portrays taking care of sick people as "Take off their clothes then wipe their entire body."? Seems kinda overblown.

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-18, 01:51

Does Irish carry only 1 knife?

HasuMasu · 2012-02-18, 01:52

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Originally Posted by Eratas123

Does that mean he can never sheath the blade if it's activated? Also, does stabbing that to someone kill them?

Side note - How come manga always portrays taking care of sick people as "Take off their clothes then wipe their entire body."? Seems kinda overblown.

Well, that's what my mom does when I have a fever...sometimes, maybe...

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-18, 01:53

Yes, he can't. Also, yes, easily more lethal than ordinary knife.

Note - Well, most Japanese really wanted themselves to keep themselves clean. However, it was well known that sick people shouldn't take a bath. In this case, to remove the sweat residue and few dirt, wiping it with a clothes and WARM water will do the job.

Of course, rule of romantic/rule of heartwarming came into play in most anime/manga, since sick people are helpless and it's up to the caretaker to do it

(Yes, I did just that, I'm a nurse after all

)

2012-02-18, 00:21	Link #22601
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	If the Stinger has a foregrip and the shoulder support. Accurate shots do sound feasible provided the user doesn't simply let out a spray of bullets. As for the Desert Ranger, it's a balance of some sort. If the the recoil reduction lies in the grip, the user's hands will be able to remain stable at each shot fired. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-02-18, 00:26	Link #22602
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Uzi's are horribly inaccurate with no foregrip or sights. They're mostly used as crowd clearers and spray and pray rather than for accurate gunfighting. Going home, he back in an hour. __________________

2012-02-18, 00:27	Link #22603
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	I don't think I ever heard a knife being upgraded. Unless you talk about electronic component within the knife, theoretically infinite. Also, yay for fore-grip, one-handed wielding be damned. __________________

2012-02-18, 01:06	Link #22605
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Got a brief summary of my take on a Second Shift Blue Tears: Spoiler for Alice: = Blue Tears Alice = The Blue Tears Alice is mid-long range, support-type Infinite Stratos unit. It is the Personal IS of England’s Representative Cadet, Cecilia Alcott. It undergoes an evolving phase called Second Shift, which augments and refines the predecessor unit, Blue Tears, to meet the pilot’s needs. The Blue Tears Alice is powered by an IS Core Unit, original IS Cores that were created by Tabane Shinonono. As the unit undergoes Second Shift, it’s power management systems is also refined to provide more than sufficient power to the Blue Tears Alice. As with any other IS units, the IS Core powers just about everything for the Blue Tears Alice, including a pair of thruster pods on its back. Being a long-range unit built for suppressive fire support, the Blue Tears Alice sports an array of additional equipments plus improved ones from its predecessor unit: - Blue Sentinel, an upgraded version of the Starlight MKII beam sniper rifle. Practically a beam cannon, re-tuned for higher velocity, better barrier penetration and greater range. - Xiphias, twin double-barrel pods on the hips. The top barrel fires target-seeking missiles while the bottom is a railgun that fires .79 caliber high-explosive slug rounds at Mach 6.5 right off the muzzle. - Pardalote, four identical optical wing bits/drones that are attached, in pairs, to the twin floating thruster pods on the unit’s back. The bits/drones optimizes an automated quantum processing system, delivering attacks with deadly precision without the need for intense mental concentration from the pilot like it would for it predecessor unit. - Spegla, twin optical wing drones also attached to the unit’s twin floating thruster pods, they are smaller than the Pardalotes due to the absence of a beam gun. Instead, they sport a unique barrier system that is capable of redirecting beams in a controlled direction. - Foro, twin folding assault knifes stored in the unit’s forearms for quick deployment in fending off close-quarter attacks. It can also encase the physical blade in pure energy, turning it into a beam knife. The Blue Tears Alice’s Closed Form takes the shape of ear ring accessories, similar to its predecessor unit’s albeit with a bright blue highlight. How does it look? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame." Last edited by StratoSpear; 2012-02-18 at 01:30.

2012-02-18, 01:32	Link #22608
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - Thinking of upgrades I can add to the JK. Any suggestions? __________________

2012-02-18, 00:30	Link #22604
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Also, I'm not sure if it's possible for the KRISS anti-recoil tech to be used for smaller units than the KRISS unit itself. I think the mechanism used needs to be a certain mass and size before it's effective. If you place it on a handgun, the effect may possibly be negligible.

2012-02-18, 01:18	Link #22606
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	The railguns carrying an explosive payload seem odd. Many sources on railguns as weapons talk about the advantage of railguns not needing gunpowder or explosives at all as an advantage because the kinetic force of the slug is enough to cause massive damage akin to explosions. Though I've never seen how a target fared after being hit with one.

2012-02-18, 01:32	Link #22609
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi indeed odd, especially the fact that Railgun directly conducts electricity to the projectile, which mean bad for the detonation fuse. Coilgun however has no such problem, and the magnetic accelerator is used as substitute for propellant. Again detonation fuse become a problem of sort, it has to be able to survive high acceleration, therefore the maximum launching velocity will be limited, or opting for longer barrel. @ Eras How about high temperature caused by frequency oscillation, enhances it's ability to cut through soft target (flesh, kevlar etc). __________________

2012-02-18, 01:36	Link #22611
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I thought of that (Metal gear FTW), but how do you do that to a knife? __________________

2012-02-18, 01:38	Link #22612
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	@stratos: depends on how much juice you're providing to the magnets and how long the barrel length is. Both are relative to the muzzle velocity.

2012-02-18, 01:39	Link #22613
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Stratos Or maybe, having thee shell go BOOM before it's even leaving the barrel. We're talking about large amount of electricity here (that may ignite the payload). @ Eras By conducting electric pulse into the blade itself (or a heating element within it), superheating the blade (the energy has to go somewhere). Think an iron, but 20 times hotter. EDIT: however this means the blade will became brittle and using it at hard surface will damage the blade. __________________

2012-02-18, 01:40	Link #22614
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Wouldn't that burn his hand if he tries to use it? __________________

2012-02-18, 01:44	Link #22616
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Nope if the handle is well insulated, but he will felt immense air temperature due to heat radiation (again, that energy has to go somewhere) similar to the case of beam saber. Irish will be a walking air heater. __________________

2012-02-18, 01:47	Link #22617
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Does that mean he can never sheath the blade if it's activated? Also, does stabbing that to someone kill them? Side note - How come manga always portrays taking care of sick people as "Take off their clothes then wipe their entire body."? Seems kinda overblown. __________________

2012-02-18, 01:51	Link #22618
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Does Irish carry only 1 knife?

2012-02-18, 01:53	Link #22620
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Yes, he can't. Also, yes, easily more lethal than ordinary knife. Note - Well, most Japanese really wanted themselves to keep themselves clean. However, it was well known that sick people shouldn't take a bath. In this case, to remove the sweat residue and few dirt, wiping it with a clothes and WARM water will do the job. Of course, rule of romantic/rule of heartwarming came into play in most anime/manga, since sick people are helpless and it's up to the caretaker to do it (Yes, I did just that, I'm a nurse after all ) __________________